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A few months ago my husband and I went to look at a house for rent. We're looking for something that's bigger so we can have an office as well as 2 extra rooms. He went to the landlady and she gave him a look that said, is that really what you do for a living? I find it's hard to explain to people just what it is we do. They don't seem to understand. It will probably be more widely excepted now that poker is all over the Television, but it continues to be a problem. She wanted 6 months of bank records (yeah I don't save those). It just seems to me that I have to defend myself when it comes to my income. What do these people think. Before you got into the poker world... what would you think of someone who seems to be gambling for a living? We know that we aren't really gambling but to the outside world it really seems like we are. Poker players are some of the smartest bunch out there (well the ones who know what they're doing) and yet nobody seems to think of it as a real job. How do you think that will change in the upcoming years? Or will it even change? Is our modern thought process gotten to the point where once we don't except something, we'll never except it? Just some food for thought. Jeanie [ 07-10-2004, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: JeanieJ ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3553 | From: xo*Kisses*xo@PokerStars | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | Eek Member Member # 3978 Member Rated: posted 07-10-2004 02:18 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good thread While I agree with you, the vast majority of people don't understand, there is a growing acceptance and I think 30 years down the road not nearly as many people will raise an eyebrow when someone says the play poker professionally. Its just a matter of time imo. As phil helmuth said (the cocky bastard) something along the lines of "when my wife was asked what her husbands job is she no longer had to say he plays poker professionally, she could now say, he's a world champion of poker. People accepted that alot better than just a poker professional." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 172 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Cincod Member Member # 1814 Rate Member posted 07-10-2004 02:29 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is what I tell people. I have an online company. Being canadian i also tell them that I have an american investment ($$$). let them worry about it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 589 | From: vancouver | Registered: Jul 2003 | IP: Logged | JeanieJ Member Member # 3411 Member Rated: posted 07-10-2004 02:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The vast majority of professionals aren't world champions. While it would be nice to say that, it's a shame that we all can't say that. I think something that also is hard, is when they look at me or my husband, they go, You're too young to be a professional player. My mother had a hard time excepting it, and a good deal of my family doesn't even know. It's just, a hard thing to tell people. It's almost like coming out of the closet lol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3553 | From: xo*Kisses*xo@PokerStars | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | Benzine Member Member # 2751 Member Rated: posted 07-10-2004 02:52 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope it doesn't come to a point where "Professional Poker Player" is a legitimate job. That's going to make my life a lot harder at the tables if that many people can do it sucessfully. You should say that you are either "Self-employed" or an "Investment risk analysist and consultant" and have the records to back up your statements. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 512 | From: Warsaw, IN, USA | Registered: Jan 2004 | IP: Logged |

Poker_God Member Member # 3867 Rate Member posted 07-10-2004 03:30 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Benzine: I hope it doesn't come to a point where "Professional Poker Player" is a legitimate job. That's going to make my life a lot harder at the tables if that many people can do it sucessfully. You should say that you are either "Self-employed" or an "Investment risk analysist and consultant" and have the records to back up your statements. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trust me when I tell you, we will NEVER have a hard time making money at poker because all the players have gotten good. Maybe all the bad players will leave but the fish will be fish will be fish. It's like that in any business and pretty much anything in the world. 99% of people are hopeless from the start while a few shine through. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1705 | From: LA | Registered: May 2004 | IP: Logged | JeanieJ Member Member # 3411 Member Rated: posted 07-10-2004 03:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I tried the self employed thing and they always ask what you do. LoL NOSEY people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3553 | From: xo*Kisses*xo@PokerStars | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | MajorCP Moderator Member # 2277 Member Rated: posted 07-10-2004 02:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tax returns and a solid credit history will take you a long way. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1540 | From: Phoenix AZ USA | Registered: Oct 2003 | IP: Logged | Twinsfan Member Member # 4037 Rate Member posted 07-10-2004 04:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the point is that you shouldn't have to carry your tax records and credit history with you and show them to anyone that asks what you do for a living... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 114 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | evenmoney Member Member # 1091 Member Rated: posted 07-10-2004 04:29 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I didn't have any problems renting and I even own a good sized dog. My landlord thought it was fantastic that I made money online but I'm sure it helped that I could have wrote a check for a year's rent if I wanted to. The problem will be buying a house. We had excellent credit and 20% to put down, but when I discussed the poker income, it was like telling the bank that I was recieving child support payments from Elvis. So if you want a house either one or both of you might need to work at least part time for six months. You may decide to keep working part time afterwards since working twice a week vs five or six days is not bad at all and is a nice break from the cards. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1149 | From: Mississippi | Registered: Aug 2002 | IP: Logged | arexcrooke Junior Member Member # 3861 Rate Member posted 07-11-2004 12:04 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My dad was a professional gambler and poker player. He want through the same type of stuff that you are going through. the only difference was that he did it in the 60's to the mid 90's when he died. Got a lot of funny looks in school when I told people what he did. Finally got to the point that I just said he was self employed and worked in textiles, uying and selling cloth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 8 | Registered: May 2004 | IP: Logged | Jimmyjohn M

ember Member # 1262 Member Rated: posted 07-11-2004 10:56 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just tell people that I work with the retarded population and they look at me and say...."Aw, that's so sweet!!" tehehehe JJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1105 | From: Victoria, Texas | Registered: Nov 2002 | IP: Logged | MegaOutZ Member Member # 2647 Rate Member posted 07-11-2004 12:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It really hard to believe that you make $5k a month and still counldn't save up for a good down payment for a house. Either you and your husband is really young starting out your marriage together or living expense must cost a arm and a leg. My monthly income is around $3500 a month including my job and poker but that is canadian currency and if i convert that 5kUS, that would be 6.5kCND. Let's say you live in Canada, and all gambling win is tax free, and you purchase a 300k house (a 300k house is really nice in Calgary, is over 2000sq ft) and current prime rate is 3.5%. Any banks in Calgary, AB, Canada likely to give you 5% fix rate for 5 years loan. An 25 years mortgage of 300k at 5% interest rate will cost you $1746(PI) a month. And let's say your property tax is $225 a month, water and utility $200, natural gas $200, telephone dsl and cable $150, house insurance is $60 a month that will put the total to $2581....wow you still have almost $4k to spend for remaining month and that doesn't include your husband income. It'd just puzzle me that you couldn't save with that kind of income a month. Right now I m mortgaging a $220k new house and financing 20k car and I still could save money with only halve of your income?? I just don't get it?? Where does the money goes?? I pologize if this sound rude, I m just very curious how your money disappear on you. If is the tax that is killing you financially, I would find a way to move to Canada or Great Britian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 336 | From: edmonton | Registered: Dec 2003 | IP: Logged | RobBulliT Member Member # 2211 Member Rated: posted 07-11-2004 06:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Jimmyjohn: I just tell people that I work with the retarded population and they look at me and say...."Aw, that's so sweet!!" tehehehe JJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hahahahahahaha!! Good one Jimmy! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1349 | From: Sweden | Registered: Sep 2003 | IP: Logged | Player66 Member Member # 3898 Rate Member posted 07-12-2004 01:07 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jeanie you have got to be kidding. Why would a landlord rent a house to gamblers. Also if you are doing so well why don't you buy a house, oh that's right you need every penny and dime for your poker. like you said you are the worlds greatest player. You don't even own your own house, lol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 142 | Registered: May 2004 | IP: Logged | Twinsfan Member Member # 4037 Rate Member posted 07-12-2004 02:35 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why do you even post Player66? There's no point to them, you're just trying to insult Jeanie.., who has contributed a lot more to this forum than you have... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 114 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Bruce C. Member Member # 3276 Member Rated: posted 07-12-2004 02:36 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You co

uld say you are a professional athlete. But then Blackbox would have to smack you (See thread on Live Play re: whether poker is a sport). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3127 | From: Illinois | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | BigRuss Member Member # 3231 Rate Member posted 07-12-2004 02:58 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You should get a real job along with the poker. It seems like you aren't playing high enough limits where it would make playing full time worthwhile. What was your bankroll when you started? I wouldn't gamble full time unless I had $100,000 (1/3 of which would be to gamble with). Money shouldn't be a problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 106 | Registered: Feb 2004 | IP: Logged | JeanieJ Member Member # 3411 Member Rated: posted 07-12-2004 06:13 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry this took so long, I don't usually check weekends. First, I don't live in Canada and I DO have to pay taxes on my winnings. Second I've only been married 9 months and I've been playing poker for a living for less than that. I'm not looking to buy a house. Maybe that's where the problem lays. We're considering renting a 3 bedroom town house (single story). Now 5 grand a month may seem like a lot but it goes in many places. It really doesn't matter where it goes, but it goes. My husband and I are both young. Being the reason why we dont' have good credit. At least he doesn't. Just the same telling someone you "gamble" for a living isn't the easiest thing. They don't exactly respect the profession. I'm sure you can understand that. I wasn't looking for you to budget my life, just sharing a few thoughts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3553 | From: xo*Kisses*xo@PokerStars | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | MegaOutZ Member Member # 2647 Rate Member posted 07-12-2004 07:07 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wasn't looking for you to budget my life, just sharing a few thoughts. Ok, that's wasn't call for, fair enough but I can see your future landlord concern. I probably understand your position as well as any regular Joe landlord because I too play for money but I also know majority will loose. Given you a plus player, there is such thing is a dry run (bad cycle), so I can definitly see the landlord concern because my friend is a landlord also. My friend who own 3 house to rent out to people is not making any money, he collect enought rent just to cover all his bills, a bad tenant will cost him 2 or 3 months rent that will put him in a deep hole financially so landlord do have the right for his/her concern regarding your occupation. But on the other hand, if you can pay a year in advance, then it is really not of his/her businesss or concern what you do for living long as you don't damage their house. And as gambler myself, I do not accept playing for a living is a real job even you are a plus player. A real job is a job you will consistantly bring home "know" amount, you can't say that about playing poker because there is a risk involve. A year of bad cycle can literaly bankrupt your bankroll regardless if is 300bb or 1000bb you have for your bankroll. What I am saying is, it is not a guranteed but a real job is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 336 | From: edmonton | Registered: Dec 2003 | IP: Logged | JeanieJ Member Member # 3411 Member Rated: posted 07-14-2004 02:43 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While gambling has it's certain risk factors, there are ways to lessen that risk if you know how and have the skill to do so. While I DO bring home my share of money, saving up 15000 dollars for a years worth of rent isn't as easy as you make it sound. There are current bills as well as bankrolls to build as I'm taking money out to pay things. I was just making a point that playing for a living has it's ups and downs. Trying to explain what you do to the public is harder than you'd think. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3553 | From: xo*Kisses*xo@PokerStars | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | CowboyRob Member Member # 3758 Member Rated: posted 07-14-2004 12:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally pos

ted by Jimmyjohn: I just tell people that I work with the retarded population and they look at me and say...."Aw, that's so sweet!!" tehehehe JJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like that Self Employed Fisherman (person) Was up 2,920 chips to 80 chips in a heads up tourney wcoop qualifer againest a guy. Called with 63 lost. 160. Goes all in again. Lost to a 4 flop dimaond Just kept losing and i eventually lost. I mean i played everything right. The guy was a huge bluffer id call his bs with Ace high or King high a lot. He just kept catching and i lost. I cant get over this im so mad. Its just not fair because i played everything right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | NiHeraNeSsu Member Member # 1738 Member Rated: posted 07-20-2004 11:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guy was a huge bluffer id call his bs with Ace high or King high a lot. He just kept catching and i lost. I cant get over this im so mad. Its just not fair because i played everything right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let this guy to be the most addictive bluffer in the world - calling his bets with A high and especially with K high and after that affirm that played it right is insane. King high has chances about 20% heads up on random board against random hand. So what right things did you do when called with K high ? A high has chances about 35%. So when you called his bets having from 20% to 35% to win it was not right play by all means. What it really was - it was tilting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 440 | From: Brooklyn,NY,US | Registered: Jun 2003 | IP: Logged | NumbersRunner Member Member # 3805 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 12:10 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Onion, please don't misunderstand, as this is definitely not intended to be a put down, but you really need to spend a lot more time studying how to play, and a lot less time complaining about what you think are bad beats. You've posted seven times on this forum, and almost every post was about being outdrawn by a bad player or cheated by a suspicious on-line deal. But the details of your hands show that it was you that played horribly and lost like anyone would expect you to. Again, there is a lot of great information on this forum, and a lot of people that are happy to answer your questions, but if you approach this game like you already know everything and that you only lose because someone else was stupid, you'll never really learn how to play. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 213 | From: Omaha, Nebraska | Registered: May 2004 |

IP: Logged | DirtyDirty Member Member # 1487 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 01:26 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Explain to me why you would call with 6-3 when you have such a massive stack that you can afford to wait an extra hand? As for calling an all-in (when your opponent has so few chips) with A or K high is not so bad, since you likely had the best hand and had little to lose. However, you only told us those hands that got him back to approximately a tenth of the stack you had? How did you lose the rest? I think NiHeraNeSsu hit it on the head when he said you were likely on tilt. Perhaps that's an area of your game to examine... -DirtyDirty- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 469 | From: Atlanta, GA, United States | Registered: Mar 2003 | IP: Logged | Cincod Member Member # 1814 Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 02:18 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that's pretty bad. I missed going to the wsop by one hand but that takes the cake. Heads up is tricky. Especially when you have such a huge stack it's easy to just keep going all in. When I'm in a short stack situation I know that I have a chance because people get impatient. Once he got up to around 800 chips you really needed to slow down and let the blinds keep rising. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 585 | From: vancouver | Registered: Jul 2003 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 02:21 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- is everyone here so critical, holy shit? it was a heads up game the guy would bluff a lot pre-flop trying to steal blinds a lot. id call he just got lucky on those 6% catches. Im just saying that its hilarious that a guy with 80 chips back comes back and beats me (he admitted he was very lucky, and cant believe he won) And as for the guy who questions his 80 chip all in with my 63. This game had gone to the 4/5th stage of blinds. Also to the person who says i need strategy. Please, i didnt come here to get an analitical opinion of what i did wrong and im sorry that me calling his huge bets with 4 dimaonds on the board when id have a king high and hed have nothing is nothing special. (this happened about 6-7 times btw) All i am is just saying i lost to a guy who had less then 100 chips. And am trying to share my opinion. I already know what i did wrong (got impatient as the person said below, and i got bad beat) Yea i had some KK and A10 losses againest his crappy hands. (This was when he was low and was despeate) And what the hell is with everyone being so critical on this board? Please man your opinion is appreciated but i really dont care [ 07-21-2004, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: Onion ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 02:23 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cincod i feel for you. I was so pissed because i had the guy. I really dont like to play againest agressive players who play aggressive with nothing. WHen you get that feeling that you finally made the right call. It feels so good especially againest those type of players. But man 1 hand awaay to the wsop Id be weeping wana explain what happened? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Cincod Member Member # 1814 Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 03:19 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The sad but funny thing was that when the tourney started (918 people) I was joking with this other guy how the 11th spot would be the worst place to finish. You know what though, it woulda been nice but there were about 3000 people in that thing. I'd rather try to qualify for a wpt smaller tourney. A chance to get on tv too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 585 | From: vancouver | Registered: Jul 2003 | IP: Logged | Poker_God Member Member # 3867

Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 04:20 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by NiHeraNeSsu: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guy was a huge bluffer id call his bs with Ace high or King high a lot. He just kept catching and i lost. I cant get over this im so mad. Its just not fair because i played everything right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let this guy to be the most addictive bluffer in the world - calling his bets with A high and especially with K high and after that affirm that played it right is insane. King high has chances about 20% heads up on random board against random hand. So what right things did you do when called with K high ? A high has chances about 35%. So when you called his bets having from 20% to 35% to win it was not right play by all means. What it really was - it was tilting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He means heads up preflop calls when he is ahead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1705 | From: LA | Registered: May 2004 | IP: Logged | SoxSexSax Member Member # 3981 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 04:32 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Please man your opinion is appreciated but i really dont care" My nomination for "Dumbest statement of all time". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 255 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Jeanie Member Member # 3411 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 04:38 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed Sox. Onion, you come here for advice we give it to you. With the little bit of information you gave us, it does look as if you played it wrong. When his stack is that small, you could afford to wait around for 20 hands if need be. Better to give him a little blinds and take him out later than to do what you did. You cost yourself the tournament. Patience is a big thing in poker, if you don't have any, then you should try a different game. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3280 | From: xo*Kisses*xo@PokerStars | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | Benzine Member Member # 2751 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 04:40 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "is everyone here so critical, holy shit?" If you can't accept constructive criticism, then you're in the wrong place. To advance as a poker player, you must be able to identify your own mistakes and not place the blame on others. Holdem is a seven card game, not a 2 card game. Once the flop comes, it's quite irrelevant how far ahead you were preflop. If you have AKs and your opponent has 23o but he catches a 2 on the flop, then you have about a 24% (disregarding any flush posibilities) chance of overtaking him by the river. If he caught a piece and you didn't, then you're well behind and drawing slim to either 3 or 6 outs. In the short-term of a heads-up match when all the money goes in preflop, who catches and who doesn't will usually determine the winner. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 512 | From: Warsaw, IN, USA | Registered: Jan 2004 | IP: Logged | NiHeraNeSsu Member Member # 1738 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 09:12 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by stocktrader23: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guy was a huge bluffer id call his bs with Ace high or King high a lot. He just kept catching and i lost. I cant get over this im so mad. Its just not fair because i played everything right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let this

guy to be the most addictive bluffer in the world - calling his bets with A high and especially with K high and after that affirm that played it right is insane. King high has chances about 20% heads up on random board against random hand. So what right things did you do when called with K high ? A high has chances about 35%. So when you called his bets having from 20% to 35% to win it was not right play by all means. What it really was - it was tilting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He means heads up preflop calls when he is ahead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FYI: Calling bets with K high or with A high means calling those bets after flop. This is just because K high or A high is poker hand after a board was flopped, turned or rivered, other words poker combination of 5 cards, not 2. When he said that called with 63 this was preflop call and hand he had was precisely 63, not 6 high. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 440 | From: Brooklyn,NY,US | Registered: Jun 2003 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 05:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dont remember where i asked to see what i did wrong. was just sharing a story. and i already stated what i did wrong. Funny how 6 years ago i bet none of you played holdem and sox i was just being a nice-asshole to him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | GarySJFL Moderator Member # 1342 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 06:29 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Onion seems kinda thin-skinned. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1932 | From: south Florida | Registered: Dec 2002 | IP: Logged | DirtyDirty Member Member # 1487 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 10:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by GarySJFL: Onion seems kinda thin-skinned. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems that 85% of our newer members are... -DirtyDirty- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 469 | From: Atlanta, GA, United States | Registered: Mar 2003 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-21-2004 10:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA @ Onion, now officially the WORST poker player on this forum. 3,000 to 80 and he LOSES lmfao WHO IS THIS KID???? "i was up 2,920 to 80 and went all-in with 63o but it was just bad beat after bad beat i did everything right i swear i am amazing i call his allin w/ k high and lose that is horrible beat i played it perfectly i swear he just kept drawing out i dont suck trust me i played it perfect he just got lucky i cant believe my 63 got beat my name is onion i suck at poker 2,920 to 80 and i LOST even tho i played it perfect i swear i did" this is the funniest thread of all-time thanks Onion for nominating urself worst playerof alltime 2,920 to 80 if i were u... i'd either retire from poker for life or just kill myself "i played it just right just got unlucky despite my 3,000 to 80 chip lead i swear i played it just right its not fair just not fair i played it perfectly" talk about un-clutch, onion pouts like a pussy under pressure and is a disgrace to this forum for his lack of skills. you

are in sucky player denial Onion. LOL 2,920 to 80 only thing i can say is WOW.. this guyyyy suuuucks [ 07-21-2004, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: mavsman ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Cincod Member Member # 1814 Rate Member posted 07-21-2004 11:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i nominate mavsman for the "stupidest human award". Anyone else agree? It's a close race between him and michael jackson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 585 | From: vancouver | Registered: Jul 2003 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-21-2004 11:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will continue posting on this thread as a way to remind all the decent poker players out there what can happen when you are in Stage 1 of sucking ass at poker: Denial. Onion should forever be remembered for his tragic case of shittyness of the highest degree. My heart goes out to Onion and all others that lose heads up w/ a 3,000 to 80 chip LEAD and yes that says EIGHTY not 800 eighty. I would like to, as a forum, hold a moment of silence for our dearest Onion and hope that he may A- realize his suckiness and get help B- retire from the game for good or C- kill himself. R.I.P Onion July 21, 2004. [ 07-21-2004, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: mavsman ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | GarySJFL Moderator Member # 1342 Member Rated: posted 07-21-2004 11:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In an attempt to return this thread to some semblance of relevance... Why call with 63o at all if you have 2920 chips to an opponent's 80? Such a small stack is forced to go all-in every hand. You're not. Surely you can wait a hand or two or three for a more favorable situation. And learn to accept constructive criticism. There are a lot of knowledgeable players here willing to share what they know. You would be wise to heed their advice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1932 | From: south Florida | Registered: Dec 2002 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-22-2004 12:22 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bump -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Cincod Member Member # 1814 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 12:55 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mavsman talks like he knows what its like to have a big stack. nuff said. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 585 | From: vancouver | Registered: Jul 2003 | IP: Logged | joe Member Member # 1210 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 07:58 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You cant criticise calling with 63o for 80 without knowing the size of the blinds, if the blinds were 10-20 then yes it is a bad call, if the blinds were 40-80 then you have to call, even though you know you are behind. I think a lot of the grief this guy has got is unfair, he wasnt posting for advice on how to play, just to let off some steam after a beat, and didnt provide enough information for anyone to criticise his play -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 538 | From: Brighton, UK | Registered: Oct 2002 | IP: Logged | londonace Member

Member # 3404 Member Rated: posted 07-22-2004 02:29 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mavsman, are you available to hire for functions? My cousin is getting married in a few weeks and we're looking for a bit of entertainment for the reception, and you've got that crazy hick routine down to a tee. One thing though, we will have to put a clear screen up at the front of the stage, stop you spitting on the front row. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 186 | From: London, England | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged | robpoker2003 Member Member # 2813 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 04:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funny how 6 years ago i bet none of you played holdem -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Onion dont come into the forum with "bad beat" tales where you played poorly, get the responses from the forum that you should expect to get telling you what you did wrong, and then try and question or insult the people who are trying to help you to no longer suck. With play like yours I'd be shocked if you've been playing for 6 months, let alone 6 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1598 | Registered: Jan 2004 | IP: Logged | robpoker2003 Member Member # 2813 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 04:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funny how 6 years ago i bet none of you played holdem -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Onion dont come into the forum with "bad beat" tales where you played poorly, get the responses from the forum that you should expect to get telling you what you did wrong, and then try and question or insult the people who are trying to help you to no longer suck. With play like yours I'd be shocked if you've been playing for 6 months, let alone 6 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1598 | Registered: Jan 2004 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-22-2004 05:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- R.I.P. Onion July 21, 2004 2,920 to 80. And you wonder why he is no longer posting on this forum. Stages of Suck-ass syndrome- (Onion R.IP July 21, 2004) 1- Denial 2- Denial 3- Denial [ 07-22-2004, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: mavsman ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-22-2004 06:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone be sure to read the above postings and you will see the dangers of sucking-ass at poker. It is my hope that no1 i repeat NOONE ever goes through what poor Onion did. Suck-ass syndrome is a deadly disease but is treatable once you recognize your suckiness and seek help from ppl like robpoker JeanieJ CTBob and Bruce C. and stock. If you fail to read this post and recognize the symptoms Onion showed.. "i played it just right but still blew a 2,920 to 80 chip lead" .. then you are increasing your chances to contract the disease and plunge urself further

into the denial stage. If you cant get help at thepokerforum.com, please, unlike Onion, get help somewhere. R.I.P. Onion July 21, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | chemical 04 Junior Member Member # 4546 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 06:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- congrats Onion this ridiculous post has persuaded me to register with the forum. Onion you should accept the fact that the loss was basically your fault. And no offense, but you may want to read your posts before you submit them... you know, just to make sure they make sense -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3 | Registered: Jul 2004 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey mavsman who the fuck are you? Also are you in the tampa area? And oh nos i lost! It was 16 bucks i lost, im up abot 50x times that on poker stars. Mavsman if your in the tampa area i would love to beat your little fucking mouth down and maybe you wouldnt talk so much shit and sorry for not taking cristism but its just funny when everyone responds telling me i suck and waht i should do better. Whats even more funny is that i did do what they did and i just lost. Guy just got lucky. I was calling him with anything because the blinds were important and he was geting them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | GarySJFL Moderator Member # 1342 Member Rated: posted 07-22-2004 08:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by joe: You cant criticise calling with 63o for 80 without knowing the size of the blinds, if the blinds were 10-20 then yes it is a bad call, if the blinds were 40-80 then you have to call, even though you know you are behind. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good point. Though I'm also kinda confused as to how the chips ended up being 2920-80 in the first place. Unless it was 1540 to 1460 on the previous hand and the smaller stack doubled up, how do you leave a guy with 80 chips? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1932 | From: south Florida | Registered: Dec 2002 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:35 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yea i didnt explain that first off he went all in with AQ (pre-flop) and i had AK and i called and i just kicked him and won -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | RIPonion Junior Member Member # 4552 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3000 to 80 chip lead blown. you had more than a 30 to 1 chip lead. then you come around here talking shit like you aren't some lame ass fucking fish. Step 1: Denial. If i were you I'd retire from poker and walk my fat ass into oncoming traffic. R.I.P Onion July 21, 2004. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 19 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jul 2004 | IP: Logged | RIPonion Junior Member Member # 4552 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:37 PM

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3000 to 80 chip lead blown. you had more than a 30 to 1 chip lead. then you come around here talking shit like you aren't some lame ass fucking fish. Step 1: Denial. If i were you I'd retire from poker and walk my fat ass into oncoming traffic. R.I.P Onion July 21, 2004. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 19 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jul 2004 | IP: Logged | RIPonion Junior Member Member # 4552 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3000 to 80 chip lead blown. you had more than a 30 to 1 chip lead. then you come around here talking shit like you aren't some lame ass fucking fish. Step 1: Denial. If i were you I'd retire from poker and walk my fat ass into oncoming traffic. R.I.P Onion July 21, 2004. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 19 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jul 2004 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thats cool that im in your mind. Its ok your my bitch. can you say mind spanked? Creating a new alias all over me. Wow kid im in your head -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-22-2004 08:55 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol at RIPOnion HAHAHHAHAHA this is the best topic ever thanks for the laughs Onion P.S. RIPOnion is not me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | Onion Member Member # 4165 Rate Member posted 07-22-2004 08:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- really because i just checked and you guys have the same ips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 36 | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-22-2004 09:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- actually we dont which proves your a liar post me the link or some proof bud cuz i aint RIPonion he is what we call here an "imposter" http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame54.html and Onion my friend, you are what we call a "newbie" http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame52.html [ 07-22-2004, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: mavsman ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 293 | From: Dallas | Registered: Jun 2004 | IP: Logged | mavsman Member Member # 4110 posted 07-22-2004 09:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Onion: Was up 2,920 chips to 80 chips in a heads up tourney wcoop qualifer againest a guy. Called with 63 lost. 160. Goes all in again. Lost to a 4 flop dimaond Just kept losing and i eventually lost. I mean i played everything right. The guy was a huge bluffer id call his bs with Ace high or King high a lot. He just kept catching and i lost. I cant get over this im so mad. Its just not fair because i played everything right. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

sorry just had to quote this in case you deleted it LOL ^^^ "its just not fair i swear im not a fish i played it just right i cant believe my 63o got busted im not a fish i swear he just got lucky waa"