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It's absolutely fucked up that site. Royal vegas, Trident,gaming club and all the rest. I hope they read this. That site is set up for the smart players to lose. How many times will I lose my two pair to a higher two pair of straight because the ONE AND ONLY other guy is chasing to the river. Never again. I've never seen such a joke even on party with all its bad players. I'm not gonna say the shuffle is fixed but its absolute bullcrap and I hope that any newbie who reads this will steer away from any prima poker satallite. Don't be suckered in by their so-called great tourneys. Its a joke.
I've played A LOT of poker and I am very close to going pro and I really need to let everyone know, old and new, that the prima software is really bad. I didn't lose a lot, only $20, but it was enough for me to see that nothing has changed there. Be very careful and don't bother with that site anymore.
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I only played there on their free money but I won 2 tourneys and finished 6th in another. Seemed normal to me, just lots of idiots going in with nothing.
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I'm a regular "plus" player at Royal Vegas and I just find a way of coping and adjusting to the bad players there. I've won close to $1500 from that site already and I won't stop now.
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Hi Cincod,
You state that the software is bad, but aren’t questioning the shuffle, so what exactly about the software don’t you like as we're a little confused? We’re speaking purely from The Gaming Club Poker Room perspective as we can’t speak for Prima or the other operators on the network.
If you have comments specific to our room please feel free to let us know as we enjoy getting feedback – positive or negative. And to be on the safe side, we’ve invested in a fireproof suit and sunglasses
Judging by your post, you seem to feel very strongly about this but we hope this post offers at least some consolation to you.
If you take a look at our website, you’ll see that the card shuffle has been reviewed by one of the biggest and most reputable auditing firms around and has been deemed as fair. Also, as a long standing organization that advocates fair and safe play, we would not put our reputation in jeopardy by allowing a non-random shuffle.
And we presume that you have already taken this into account, but in case you haven’t the most likely reason of the frequency of seeing higher pairs or straights, is because many more hands are being played online than you would in a B & M game. With the ability to play multiple tables, that factor is increased.
As you’re close you going pro, you probably know this better than we do from personal experience which is that no matter how bad the beats, in the long run you’ll still come out being a profitable player.
We'd urge you to try us for a while and if at that stage you're still unhappy, then we fully respect your decision to stop playing. Please be aware that we're always open to comments and suggestions and if you ever require assistance, don't hesitate to ask.
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I only played there on their free money but I won 2 tourneys and finished 6th in another. Seemed normal to me, just lots of idiots going in with nothing.
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Thanks for posting this stocktrader. And congrats on the wins!
Kind Regards,
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what kind of bull was that? I don't care if the shuffle is monitored. I've played on EVERY major site. Trust me or not. I have never seen anything like I have seen on the Prima network. I have nothing personal against you at the gaming club, except for the fact that it takes forever for you customer service to get into gear,that aside, you are still part of prima and that is why I'm urging people to be careful. I have made over $2k as well. I have won many tourneys. Since their last overhaul of the system though, something weird has happened there. I of course don't have scientific proof but I know what I've seen. people like to write when they get burned but I'm writing after playing on every site and seeing how the cards fall. Believe me when I say the every site has their own little quirks. Nothing is totally random or fixed for that matter. I honestly feel that sites hooked up to the prima network are geared to the chase and the cards that fall are relative to the people that stay in.
Now you understand. But I'm not bitter.lol
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Because you lost a little money (20 bucks) at a site to some bad beats does NOT mean the site is rigged against you or is a bad site. I'm sorry but there are plenty of people who are more than happy with this network of poker sites. Myself being one of them. You shouldn't tell people it's a horrible site when truely it isn't. It isn't your job to keep people away from their site.
While I'm sure you're upset by your huge loss, I think you've pushed things a little too far. If you're that close to becoming pro then your 20 bucks shouldn't matter. Neither would these bad beats you're experiencing.
You shouldn't take it out on the site. A good player would know this. A (soon to be) pro would know this as well.
I hope in the future your anger is better managed, if you expect to become a pro you'll need to learn to control that.
Best Wishes,
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i think you're still mad cause i beat you in that tourney jeannie. I'm allowed to voice my intelligent and experience opinion. I wouldn't be saying this because I lost $20. Now I know how stocktrader feels. You try to be honest and people try to shoot you down.
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Just calm down. I was suggusting that perhaps you were a little angry about losing some money. That's all. I just just saying that maybe you shouldn't ruin their reputation on this forum because a few bad beats. Some of us have had nothing but good experiences there and newbies should know that as well.
Jeanie
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Okay, I just experienced a horrible beat by a bad play in a SNG that is making me agree with Cincod now.
The blinds are 320/640, and there's 5 players left. I'm the chip leader with around 3000.
I pick up A6 in the CO and raise to 1280 as a steal attempt. The BB calls. The flop is A52. BB checks, I bet 640 and he raises all-in for 200-300 more, and I call. He has 33 for a gutshot draw, he has 6 outs to beat
me. Instead of hitting one of those outs, he makes a runner runner flush. WTF. This hand left me crippled and I ended up busting out in fourth.
After the hand, I say to the guy "That was bull." He says "I had a straight draw and a pair." I just shook my head.
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Well it was only A6. I can't see how many things you are going to beat with that hand.
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My point is that his post-flop play was horrible. He risked all of his chips on a gutshot draw.
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It really sucks when you get beat out like that. But more often than not that same type of play will make you lots of money.
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I play mainly at Party and UB. At Party it seems like every other hand someone hits a flush. It's hard to adjust to when I play at UB because I want to lay down my hand when the flop has 2 suited cards. At UB the 3rd card rarely comes. At Party you can bank on it.
The Micro's I play at the Gaming Club I except the bad beats so I havn't really noticed anything funky.
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Don't worry guys, JeanieJ has made it their personal vendetta to go after anyone who even hints of F'd up RNG's. Not sure why they don't just STFU and let people have their discussions.
I've noticed my fair share of F'd up stuff and it drives me nuts. Why is it that on one or two sites you have straights and flushes non stop, yet on another you see them way less. Why is it that on one site you have all four A's in play just about every hand yet on another site you barely see them. Why is it on one site you have constant runner to runner beats, yet on another it's far less.
It's pretty damn annoying for sure. I can't believe it has to do with any level of play issues. I see the same chasers and all-in players at every site.
It's hard to trust these sites, but if you are gonna play you just have to keep the faith that hopefully they are legit.
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My response to this had nothing to do with RNG's. It was just a reminder that we shouldn't ruin a sites reputation because one person has a problem with the site. He made it seem as if nobody should play there ever because it's a horrible site! When that just isn't true. Flaming the sites isn't going to change anything. Contacting support with your problems will at least give the casino a fair chance to defend themselves.
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wanderer makes a good point here. Most people find it difficult to trust online poker rooms and/or casinos. Trust is of the utmost importance to us.
Specifically concerning The Gaming Club (as we can only speak for ourselves). Our casino has been around since 1995 and we pride ourselves in the safe and fair gaming we provide to our players. The poker room is slightly younger, but we still carry the same values.
We would not want to ruin our good reputation by not providing fair game play. If there was a dodgy shuffle for us to try and make a quick buck we'd be out of business very quickly.
The question is, why would any business in their right mind risk doing that? In order to be successful in this very competitive industry it's essential that you run an efficient and trustworthy operation.
Everybody is of course entitled to their opinion and where they choose to play
We would like to leave you with this tho:
There will always be those who chase it all the way to the river with nothing and nail those gutshot draws with very few outs remaining.
You also play way more hands online than you do in B&M games.
If you look at the WSOP for instance - how many of the pro land based players we're having a tough time against many less experienced players who were playing through bluffs and getting lucky draws?
In the long run, if you stick to your guns and don't let the beats get the better of you, you'll still come out a winning player
Enjoy the discussion and we hope to see you in our room sometime
Good luck & Good Cards to all of you.
Kind Regards,
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There are many many people that trust online poker rooms because they make their living on it. 100k a year on a rigged poker room would be damn near impossible.
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wanderer is right though. each site has its own little quirks that are easily visible after awhile. Prima is a joke the way it bases its board on who is in. It's just so obvious that this is what is going on. I don't mind a bad beat. it happens all the time and I do it to others as well.
What I do mind is when two people are the only one's in pre-flop and the cards fall so as to make one a monster and one look like the winner until the river.
I'm tired (only on prima sites) of two pair being the worst hand to get. I say this cause 9 times out of 10 the other player will get the straight or flush. Again, it all depends on who is in.
By the way jeannie, I find it funny that you defend the gaming club when you had at an earlier time said you only play at Pacific. Aren't you worried about YOUR reputation of being a liar? I'm not saying you're one of course but try to get your story straight instead of jumping on bandwagons.
I've always been consistent in my complaints about certain things. Check my topic history if you want. Don't tell me not to knock a site because I won't listen. If prima doesn't like what I write then they can call me. I won't hold my breathe. As for the gaming club(bellrockgaming-their site being down right now) the customer service is lacking to say the least. I've waited on hold for at least 10 min more than once and when they offered me a comp for their casino, the never gave it to me. They kept telling me that it will be '24 to 48 hrs'. That was after 3 days of waiting so I don't know what they mean by "good reputation".
If I feel that i want to warn some people after the experiences I've had then that's my business. If you don't like it Jeannie, try another forum.
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I'm defending them because they've done nothing wrong. People are going to get bad beats.
I DO mainly play at pacific. I joined the Gaming Club because they gave me free money. I'm still playing on that free money. I like the site. The players are fishy and the games aren't too different from pacific poker. You're rather harsh when it comes to other people's opinions. All I said was don't ruin the reputation of a perfectly good site. It's not your job. They can ruin it on their own if what you say is true. Stop being such a poor sport and grow up. The looser the games the more suckouts that happen. This is something a WINNING player is looking for. It's not the sites fault these players chase to the river. You're good at starting fights on this forum. Yet you think I should find another one?
Sorry but you aren't worth the trouble.
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you say I'm not worth the trouble but you keep responding to my "rants". I played on Prima for a year. I made lots of money there. What I was saying was after their latest overhaul, something really weird started to happen. I have played thousands of hands there in all types of games. Their re-buy policy has ruined the game, and I think that people should know that if they sign up at gaming club, they are really signing up to prima. Maybe gaming club should develop their own in-house software. I'm sure they won't because they make tons of money and would never question anything.
I've seen thousands of shuffles and I'm sure most here will agree that each site has very different boards that make their own site unique.
The fairest I've seen so far is www.pokerroom.com To me its the best overall site on the web.
Next I like pacific poker because its basically a goldmine if you are patient. I have to shake my head sometimes with what people call with.
We'll have to wait and see what new sites and of course fulltiltpoker.com will be like.
As for prima, I'm through with them. period.
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This might be off the topic, but the "Gaming Club" replies to this thread....is that a "Company" posting responses on this? Secondly, although I couldn't possibly care less, if "they" are going to take the time to post, the vague answer? ( "the card shuffle has been reviewed by the biggest and most reputable auditing firms around..." ) If "they" feel that Cincod is questioning the randomness of their shuffle, why not NAME the firm(s) along with an address and phone number? It just seems a little like "I got a friend who says it's fair..."
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I've played at royal and have never had any problems. I've even won a $2 multi with 300 people in it. It just see
ms with that site, like pacific poker u have to get lucky....lucky not to get a bad beat on you. A lot of maniacs and poor players make for a lot of bad beats.
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There are many many people that trust online poker rooms because they make their living on it. 100k a year on a rigged poker room would be damn near impossible.
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Very good point stocktrader!
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As for the gaming club(bellrockgaming-their site being down right now) the customer service is lacking to say the least. I've waited on hold for at least 10 min more than once and when they offered me a comp for their casino, the never gave it to me. They kept telling me that it will be '24 to 48 hrs'. That was after 3 days of waiting so I don't know what they mean by "good reputation".
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Cincod, we've been around for a long time in the online gaming industry and are part of Belle Rock Gaming, which brings together the biggest and best in online gaming. We always strive to give the best possible service. We also have many satisfied players around the world, so there definitely is a good reputation to uphold.
We've also just concluded with a major land based event in the poker calendar, The Gaming Club World Poker Championship, which took place in Dublin, Ireland and was a roaring success with many world class players attending.
That said, our poker room is fairly new so yes, mistakes with support do happen. The difference with us is that we will admit to them and do everything we can to rectify it.
Our support is continually getting better, but to be the best we need to know what it is that you, the players, want and any feedback / comments / criticisms, whether good or bad, are welcome.
If you'd be so kind as to PM us with the details of the issue you had including dates, times and any names of support agents, we'll gladly look into it for you. Please also confirm whether it was for poker or for casino (just so we make sure that the right people are on it ).
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This might be off the topic, but the "Gaming Club" replies to this thread....is that a "Company" posting responses on this?
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That's correct - we're from The Gaming Club Poker Room.
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If "they" feel that Cincod is questioning the randomness of their shuffle, why not NAME the firm(s) along with an address and phone number?
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Sure thing. Access our website (viewable in our profile) click on the PricewaterhouseCoopers image on the left side of the homepage navigation bar for the report.
Again, it's up to you where to play (although we would like it to be us ) and we hope that our participation here is evidence that we're here to be involved in meaningful discussion and the enhancement of the poker community. That can only be done by speaking to the people that use the product everyday day and getting their take on what needs to be changed or improved.
Kind Regards,
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I say fair play to the Gaming Club for posting responses to all your rants and not shirking any questions.
Cincod, I have a reason why your 2 pair is always getting beat by a straight or a flush. Most people play cards that are connected (ie. QK, JQ, 78, 67 etc) because it gives you the added possibility of a straight. Now if you go in with JQ and hit 2 pair on the flop, that means theres automatically a straight draw on the board. Some maniacs will call all kinds of draws no matter the size of the bet. I have also found out that 2 pair can be costly, but mostly if you don't know how to play them when your connectors both pair up, like the example I gave.
You see more flushes because fish at these sites will play any 2 suited cards. I had someone call a preflop raise (NL) on Party with K2 of hearts the other day and hit a flush, doesnt mean it's fixed, I just laugh when it happens. As soon as I see someone pull that kind of beat on me I just know they are dead money and hope that I will be the one to clear them out.
I play on an exclusively European site where you get a far better level of play, but not because the RNG isn'r rigged. It's because poker hasn't exploded as much in Europe as it has in America, so most of the people playing on European sites are at a reasonable standard. On Party and Prima you have a lot of recreational players, who aren't there to win money, they are there to play poker as a hobby.
Hope at least one supporter of the "RNG's are rigged" brigade will see the light!
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I dont know about the site being bad, but I do know that I personally dont like the Prima Network. Never have. I stay away from it. Won a few trnys there, but it still doesnt make me want to play there.
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actually londonace, when I flop a A7 two pair and the ONLY OTHER PLAYER (how many times do I have to stress this..)calls my big raise and gets his runner runner for the straight, I would have to say that something is fishy. Especially when it happens to over %90 of the two pairs that are in a hand.
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How do you know 90% of 2 pair get beat by straights or flushes? Do you know that you probably only see about 20%-30% of 2 pair at your table because most of them will never come to a showdown?
Last time I checked, 2 pair only beats 1 pair and a high card, so I think you should stop placing so much trust in that hand.
If you really think certain poker sites are rigged then fair enough, it's your money, don't play at them. All this rigged talk because 2 pair got outdrawn is a bit ridiculous though. And what were you doing with A7 in the first place?
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Do you have any details of the checks that were made by PWC, or just the fact that they have checked ?
The reason I ask is, I've heard other people complaining that the shuffle is not random, and when pointed to the PWC information, they reply that they have probably not done a thorough enough check. From the letter they provided, it sounds like all they checked was that each card was equally likely to be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..., 52nd in the pack. For Poker, such a check is not sufficient.
Do you have any more information on what checks were done ?
Thanks,
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Originally posted by Reelishymn:
I pick up A6 in the CO and raise to 1280 as a steal attempt. The BB calls. The flop is A52. BB checks, I bet 640 and he raises all-in for 200-300 more, and I call. He has 33 for a gutshot draw, he has 6 outs to beat me. Instead of hitting one of those outs, he makes a runner runner flush. WTF. This hand left me crippled and I ended up busting out in fourth.
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The problem is, as a one off, this is perfectly reasonable. To apply similar odds to dice, he had to throw two dice, and to win, needed a 1 on either dice, or a double six. And he got the double six. How unbelievable!
Except for one thing. He didn't even need double six. The flush was twice as likely as a double six.
If this was happening repeatedly, then yes, it would indicate something fishy going on. But there is always going to be a freak hand from time to time. The difference between Prima Poker and playing against real players, is that with real players, you wouldn't realise how often this happens, because they would have folded after the flop.
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I've been playing at bet365poker for a couple of months now, which I believe is part of this network. I've found it fine, it actually seems a lot more sensible and has fewer strange hands than my normal site (Ladbrokes) but I think this is down to better players rather than anything dodgy.
I started with $50, played solid and tight, now up to about $700. I don't see what you're all moaning about!
[ 07-11-2004, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: Art Vandelay ]
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banditdad
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gaming Club:
[QB] Hi Cincod,
You state that the software is bad, but aren’t questioning the shuffle, so what exactly about the software don’t you like as we're a little confused?
The first time I installed the software it crashed my 2.4 Gig P4 running win. XP. I uninstalled and reinstalled. It ran fine but when I ran spysweeper I found 17 instances of adware and or spyware that could be traced back to Vegas Room. I uninstalled and will not reinstall.
Mike
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Cincod
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i Think all sites put some kind of bot in the registry. Party does for sure. I am questioning the suffle at prima. Even if the shuffle wasn't fixed, the ridiculousness of the re-buys there makes it not worth my time or money. By the way I'm glad people keep responding to this cause it keeps the title at the top.
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Do you have any details of the checks that were made by PWC, or just the fact that they have checked ?
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We don't have details of the checks themselves, however, we do have every confidence that they are able to provide an accurate review that the shuffle is fair.
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The first time I installed the software it crashed my 2.4 Gig P4 running win. XP. I uninstalled and reinstalled. It ran fine but when I ran spysweeper I found 17 instances of adware and or spyware that could be traced back to Vegas Room. I uninstalled and will not reinstall.
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We don't have any spyware etc. on our poker software so it's very possible that this originated from another source or some other software. Have you downloaded The Gaming Club Poker Room software Mike? We can't speak for other operators but we can with certainty say that we don't make use of adware or spyware on our software.
Kind Regards,
GC
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jinxpalmer
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The Fact the PWC checked the rng doesn't mean a crock of shhh guys... During the period that PWC checks these sites, they (the pokersite) knows PWC is checking it... They can easily force a realistic shuffle during the PWC process and then juice it up from time to time.
Now I'm not *JUST getting on the gamming club about this, I'm talking about ALL MAJOR POKER ONLINE SITES.
So just because they have that little sticker saying PWC up there, don't let yourself be fooled.
Now you show me a site where PWC monitors the rng every day at least (every hour would be great or random to the site) and then that is a site you can trust.
Another thing is, we don't even know how pwc is checking these sites.. Until we do, ignore that sticker...
[ 07-12-2004, 06:23 PM: Message edited by: jinxpalmer ]
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Trust me. If you ever talked to the people at gaming club or any bellrock or bubrock...whatever that poorly run casino is...you would realize that they do no know anything technical. So they really shouldn't bother trying to convince anyone that they know about bots (which they do stick on your computer-microgaming that is), and maybe take a training course in phone answering techniques 101, or how to keep a promise101 like when you say "within 24 to 48 hrs".
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bilo
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Originally posted by jinxpalmer:
Another thing is, we don't even know how pwc is checking these sites.. Until we do, ignore that sticker...
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Just curious, are you really interested in their verification algoritms and tests? And do you have the background to understand them?
They actually put the results of the test to their website, but like any other credible evedince that suggest online poker isn't rigged, you chose to ignore it.
http://www.primapoker.com/themes/primapoker/images/pwc.pdf
So, tell me jinxpalmer, what would it take for you to believe that online poker isn't rigged?
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Bilo,
Thank you for posting that link to the Prima web site. I read the memo/letter and now I am completely convinced that there is no funny business going on. I am convinced because I am certain that if the letter had read, for example: "The cards were dealt in a biased manner so with the purpose of stimulating play to promote more game-action.....etc. etc." Prima would still have posted it!
I choose to follow a simple rule: if you think somethin is wrong with the cards...don't play there (it's why I left Party). But please, don't expect any poker site to post anything but "positive" material in their "integrity" sections.
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Originally posted by Lt2210:
I choose to follow a simple rule: if you think somethin is wrong with the cards...don't play there (it's why I left Party). But please, don't expect any poker site to post anything but "positive" material in their "integrity" sections.
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I've never played at prima and don't intend to do so. I wouldn't play at a site where I fell something is wrong, either. My point is; PWC says "We tested 1 million hands and didn't find anything wrong.", while jinx is saying "I've done my research, found the bias in the RNG and win all the time exploting the bias." and personally I find PWC much more credible.
Benzine,
We having a game this week? It's looking good I'll join you guys this time. Just thought I'd bring it up!
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Jeanie,
I'm new to the forum, but I play quite often at PartyPoker...I would like to sit down w/ you and go at it but Im assuming you play a bit higher stakes than I.
Let me know if you're willing to come down to my level and let me test my chops.
ClintD
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Benzine
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posted 07-14-2004 04:43 AM
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Yes, game is good.
Wednesday Night at 8PM partypoker time
limit HE .5-1
Benzine's pvt table
password: negativeev
Come one and come all. Bring your chips and your sense of humor!
ClintD,
come on out!
[ 07-14-2004, 02:44 AM: Message edited by: Benzine ]
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Benzine
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I had family problems come up so I may not be able to make it tonight. If anyone else wants to start the table if you don't see one with my name on it, just post it up on here and we can go from there. I want everyone to make it that can, so don't give me any excuses! ;p
Cheers!
Benzine
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ClintD
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I'd be willing to start the table if everybody is still interested. I'd still like to stick to a similiar time. Let's say 8:30 PP time so that @ 8 we can all check to see if Benzine has a table started or not.
If he doesnt start one I will start one
ClintD1220's pvt table
Limit HE $.5/1
password: forumgame (all lower case)
If anyone else has more experience doing this feel free...I just would like to play so I'll start it up if necessary.
See ya tonight!
[ 07-14-2004, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: ClintD ]
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****NOTICE**** I edited the name of the the table for tonight's forum game, I was a noob at creating my own table, but it's all set...password is the same as above...see you @ 8:30!
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JeanieJ
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posted 07-14-2004 09:39 PM
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BUMP
I'll be there in about 30 minutes. Hope to see everyone there. Remember the table name has changed for this week.
Also, Even though Benzine usually does this for us (we're thankful) we should name the game something like (ThePokerForum Game) or something. That way we all know where it is, and maybe we'll bring a little traffic twards the site.
Just an idea! I seem to have lots of them. LoL.
Hope to see everyone there, I deposited just for this.
Jeanie
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Benzine
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posted 07-14-2004 09:41 PM
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I started a table.
J
eanie, it's automagically named after the person who creates it.
Everyone, Come and play with us!
[ 07-14-2004, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Benzine ]
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ClintD
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If Benzine started a table I'm going to fold mine and head to his.
Check his post to get his info.
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posted 07-14-2004 10:05 PM
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WE'RE SITTING NOW, HURRY YOUR ASSES UP.
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posted 07-14-2004 10:09 PM
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I'm there now.
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Sorry guys Party poker keeps closing out on me. Guess I'll have to wait for next week.
Have fun I'll try back later.
Jeanie
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No worries Jeanie, It was fun while it lasted.
Thanks to everyone else who made it out tonight. It was a good time for all and I hope to catch you all next week.
Same bat time
Same bat channel
Cheers!
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posted 07-15-2004 03:07 AM
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I left exactly even in money. I was hoping to play for a little longer. I tried for hours to get back. Eventually I ended writing Party about the problem. I can join any table but yours. Kinda sucks, I put money in just to play our weekly game.
Hope we
have a large turn out next week. I'll be there and hopefully it works this time.
Thanks again Benzine,
Jeanie
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