Online Poker in Canada
Are you Canadian? Looking to play some online poker? Freerolls are my favorite form of free online poker games. Freerolls are poker tournaments that are free to play but have real money prizes.
If you want a complete list of freerolls check out Poker Freerolls Schedule.
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Sbrugby down 500k From his blog...
I am staying in Vegas longer than I expected. Sammy Farha and I are playing HU 500/1000 (probably gonna get bumped up to 1K/2K tonight) 1/2 plo and 1/2 nlh. We finished a marthon session whcih eneded me down 500K. We were both playing very aggressively and at one point Sammy was down 800K but was able to come back. We probably played 4 or 5 pots that were over 1/2 million dollars. The match really swung back and forth and I am loking forward to continueing it later tongiht. This is probalby the largest game I have ever played in as we both had 1/2 mil in front of us and we were playing insanly agressively. To have 4-5 1/2 mil++ size pots as well as about 15 200-500K pots shows how wildly we were playing.
i have been playing online poker for about a month or two now. at first i lost a several hundred dollars slowly. playing mostly $10 sit and gos. it was hard and frustrating. now, i have tightened my play up considerably and play good hands super aggresive and i seem to win 75% of my tourneys. thats first place also. i have made back my lost money and now am ready to make a profit. i dont want to lose focus and think its easy, because its not. but today i won a $30 and $10 tourney back to back. and then i had to go to work. im not saying im the best player around. but maybe im getting better? or maybe the cards are falling my way? huh, not sure.
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The party tourneys are pretty "easy" to beat IMO, if u get a couple of playable hands and don't get outdrawn too many times u should be able to finish in the money.
One of the reasons that you're winning could be that you're a good tourney player. =)
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I've tightened up my play lately, with aggressive post-flop play (Tight-Solid), and my tournament play has been considerably improved as well on UB.
I was getting destroyed trying to play as a loose cannon and waiting for someone to re-raise my monsters.
The monsters obviously didn't come along enough and I was smoked. Starting yesterday I told myself, Tight-Solid, the whole way, nothing stupid, just try to hang around long enough to give me a shot at the money.
I won 2 $10's yesterday, a 10 this morning and a 5 this morning.
It's really paying off.. my stats are at 25-35% flops seen, and im winning almost 65-75% of the flops I play.
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What’s the structure as far as blinds go at Party with their $10 sit and go’s? Approx. how long does the tourney take? What is the prize structure? Are the tourneys no limit?
thx
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the rake is $1 for the $10 tourneys and $3 for the $30. not bad, but it adds up. im getting ready for my first multitable tourney in 15 minutes at pp. its $5 plus $1 entry fee.
back to my thread,, something im doing is really working in the tournaments, and i know what it is, but i dont want to advertise it. the key for me is to stay disciplined and not lose focus. cuz once u do, ur dead. im going to stick to mostly $10's and some $30 tournaments. the play is mostly atrocious there. a few good players. many idiots too. im scared if i move up to the $100 tour. that the skill will be much improved. peace.
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Peace? LMFAO what are you 17 years old?
Nobody can win 75% of the sit-n-go torneys they enter.
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I'm new to hold'em. Got interested by watching WPT on cable. Do you guys find that the hands made on the online sites are "out of whack" with what kinds of hands are made in a live game. I've been watching online real money games and it seems that every other hand is a flush, straight or full house.
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UHA8ME- im sorry i said peace, didnt no that was offensive. and im 32 by the way. are you just mad that your a loser poker player? you sissy. PEACE.
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congratulations on your win rate, 75% is very high and is probably mostly luck but thats not to say your not doing something right. I consider myself a good single table tournament player and in over 200 tourneys that Ive recorded I've finnished in the money 43% of the time and came first 22% of the time, you can probably get better than this but I doubt it will stay any where near a 75% win rate.
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gameday0
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Joe that record is very nice. What buy in are those touranments? Also, you have to show me the way!
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Originally posted by q98765:
I'm new to hold'em. Got interested by watching WPT on cable. Do you guys find that the hands made on the online sites are "out of whack" with what kinds of hands are made in a live game. I've been watching online real money games and it seems that every other hand is a flush, straight or full house.
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Yes, absolutely, the reason for this is simple. The players at the WPT are good, online most are not. Far too many people see a flop online, compared to what you would see on the WPT. Also far too many people chase bad draws. If you get 4 people chasing, odds are one of these fools will draw a flush, or little straight or whatever. It all about people playing too loose online.
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joe
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Thats at partys $10 buy in single table tourneys. Generaly speaking the key to winning is other peoples bad play, the main thing in tourneys is to be able to adjust your play in relation to the size of the blinds and the number of players still in the game. You should start out as a total rock, that is tight passive and you should get looser and more aggressive as the blinds go up and by the end you should definatly be playing loose and very aggressive.
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Wavey
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I found I was a consistent winner of Single-Table Tourneys at Party... Don't know if it was up to 75%, but I was in the money 2 out of 3 times most days.
And as for UH8ME2's comment:
"Nobody can win 75% of the sit-n-go torneys they enter."
That's like saying "Nobody can win as much as you claim you do UH8ME2!" ;-))
Wavey.
P.S. PEACE to ALL!!!
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BlueOakleyz
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it sucks to be a good player in a bad world.
I too was drawn in by the WPT but I learned the right way, I read books, sites... practiced like crazy and am now extremely good but why don't other people do this if they love Poker?
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UHA8ME2
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Making the top 3 is alot different than winning. NOBODY WINS 75% OF THE TIME. Some good players might cash the top 3 70-75% of the time but they don't win 75% og the time.
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i need help guys, im an idiot. i made a $250 deposit, and turned it into $750 by playing great focused poker, mostly $10 and $30 sit and goes. i cashed out $250 and keep $500 in my account. this slowly dwindles down to $400 in a weeks time. im still playing well. up and down, but not too bad.
well yesterday for some odd reason, i do the unthinkable for me. i take my $400 to the $5-$10 limit table (6 man max). and i just watch my money dwindle and dwindle and dwindle. for some odd reason i could not get up and leave, i just kept losing. these guys played so loose and kept playing bad hands and would hit all kinds of crazy shit on the river, and i was rerasing and doing everything i was taught to do. all this did was make my losses bigger.
anyways an hour later i lost $400 dollars. the same money that took me so long to build up. how could i be stupid and lose my discipline? im a pretty good player too. i had bad beat after bad beat. these guys play each and every hand and dont fold, and why do i get punished for their poor play? and why did i not leave that table?
im just venting now, but im disappointed in myself. i should of just kept slowly winning money at lower stakes and in tournaments. whats the remedy for this? maybe i dont have the discipline required to be a winning player?
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AC is not for me
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Don't be so hard on yourself.Similar thing happened to me on Party's 5/10 6 max.I had won over $500.00 on a full table in about 3 days,well thursday I couldn't get on a full table forever so I took a seat at a 6 max.I could not beleive the play,loose is too kind a word,3 or 4 people see the river every hand,crazy.While I was there I was hypnotized,I couldn't leave.
Even after my Aces got cracked by 69o,my AKs
got busted by trip dueces on the river.
I lost and lost,then last hand I have it is already capped by the time it gets to me,and I have J,J on the button.In a normal game or at a B&M,I would fold but here,I had to call.
Well the flop came J,8,8.Everyone (4 people)
called my raises down to the river,and I collected about $160.00 on this hand and ran.
I lost about $200.00 in about 2 Hours.
But I did learn a lesson,I can not play in a
6 max game.I quess I just do not have the discipline.I will only play in full games or NL.
So you are not alone,I saw some guy win at that table about $500. in one hour,his secret,he played everyhand down to the river.I could not beleive it either.
Do not play at those tables!!
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wasntme
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exactly those guys play everything to the river and they only fold if they dont have anything after the river, wow. that is some scary shit to be playing against. i cant handle it. i agree, full tables are alot more stable and easier to play with.
heres my bad beat story. im the big blind with Q7 os. SB bets , i check. flop come out Q,7, ace rainbow. i raise, he checks. turn is 4. i raise he checks. i put him as having maybe ace high pair. turn is 8. i bet, and he reraises. of course i have to check now. he was holding pocket 8's. he hit his triple on the river. i cant believe he held on to those 8's after that flop. unreal. i was so pissed. that cost me alot of money, after that, i was done.
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I got news for you need about 2000 dollars to sit at a short table 5/10 game and have confidence you can beat the game in the long term. Ie over weeks or months. 400 dollars you are just riding a short term swing which can be anything. Now if you know the players then you can more accurately predict the cards they play and fold to brick board raises, hence you could get by with a much smaller roll.(ie 1000 to 1500)
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I just noticed that you're the same guy that asked why you were winning so easily. A tad ironic, isn't it? Don't be so hard on yourself, but learn from it. In the long run, $400 is basically nothing. I never play fixed limit games and I don't sit at short tables. I play extremely tight as I sit down and I try to get a feel as to how loose they are playing. If they are playing like shit, needless raises, holding on to cards to the river, etc... I will get up and leave. I know that it's possible to put a whooping on these guys, but if I hit a bad swing with them I will go insane. So, I've learned to prevent it.
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Good advice, debaser...that's something that myself and plenty other players need to learn. While it is all good and fun to want to beat a particular type of game, it is also a great asset to be able to know your own style and the type of game/table that it is best suited to. Discipline is key in poker, and your advice reminds us that game selection is perhaps the most important disciplined decision to make...
"Just one man's opinion"
-DirtyDirty-
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I have been playing 5-10 for a couple of weeks now and I have had great luck. One thing I would suggest is more raising. You need to charge you oppenents for staying in the round when you have a good hand. 3-4 % of the time you are going to have to throw away that hand shorty after the flop. But when you win you will usually win enough money to make up for you preflop betting.
Also sometimes people will attempt to hold off betting the post flop round in an attempt to draw people into the more expensive turn and river betting round. I believe you need to bet on the flop if you have somthing (and sometimes when you have nothing). Charge your opponent to see the next card if they are drawing for a hand this will hurt their pot odds. These practices should help to keep the fish out, even if the fish stay in by raising early you will greatly increase your earnings on the pots you win.
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Originally posted by Debaser:
I just noticed that you're the same guy that asked why you were winning so easily.
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When everything's coming your way.....
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wasntme
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i am the one who said why am i winning so easily. my point being i made the mistake of moving up in limits to quickly. i am a very good low stakes tournament player. i can make a profit there. things were going very well there, and i should not of went to the 5-10 six man table. i lost all my money in an hour. bad beat after bad beat. these clowns play every hand. and i started to tilt badly after that.
after taking a couple of days off, i deposited a hundred bucks today. before work i played 2 $10 tourney and won 1, and got 3rd in the other. so im up $50 bucks for the day. and will play more carefully now. no more $5-10 tables for me, for now. but i do like taking $50 to a .50-$1.00 ten man table and grind it out for a few hours. i usually do well here.
so hopefully i can continue to win some easy money and stay away from the wrong games.
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Last year I played partys 1-2$ 6-handed tables every day. There were 5-6 players who were really good and winning over 1k for the year. Or so I thought. When I asked them, it turned out that more then half of them were actually overall losers, simply because they went to the 5-10$ and dumped a load every now and then. And it takes a long time to re-gain a 250-500$ loss at the 1-2$ table.
For this reason I think stop loss makes a lot of sense when moving up limit. You will lose quite a few bucks when moving up initially. The important thing is that you don't blow your bankroll in the process (which I understand is what you just did), and that you get everything you can out of the lessons you pay for at the higher limits.
Concerning 400$ @ 5-10$, I've won and lost 700$ there in 2 hours. So 400$ is no where near enough to play 5-10$
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I figured this might be useful to anyone who's interested. Once upon a time, when I was a new player, I got cocky, and moved up to 5/10 from 1/2. I'm a short handed player.
I've won $500 from 5/10 6 max in a few hours, moved up to 10/20 6 max, won another $300 and I stopped. I was basically proud of myself, that my solid play managed to beat the fishes.
The next day, I went back to 10/20 6 max, lost $500 due to bad cards and rivers (never on tilt, strong hands) went back to 5/10 6 max, lost another $500 due to the same reasons, and went on tilt on my last $150.
Moral of the story, bankroll is extremely important, like what gambleholic said, about 2k for a 5/10 6 max table. 2nd lesson learnt, you being a good/lucky player does not mean you do not need a good bankroll, fluctuations kill both winnings and confidence. 3rd lesson, you need to have a strong mindset. Each time you lose, instead of making a fuss out of it, think about your mistakes, and correct them (after throwing my mouse usually, lols). Wavey, you shouldn't follow the book word for word. You need to be flexible cause your style of play may not be the same as in the book. There's no one correct style of play.
Right now, I'm at 1/2 6 max tables. Winning player, and the only time I lose is when I go on tilt, $1.5-2k a month.
If I sound cocky, flame me. And I won't post again. Reason why I never post (this being my first post) is cause people might think I'm cocky and start flaming me. But I'm just trying to be helpful and sincere.
Good luck !
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A good post. There isn't an experienced player around who has not tried the same thing at one time. The key is to learn and grow from the experience.
Your earnings do sound high. Is that one month?
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littlefox
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Yep. About $50 average a day (which is pretty easy, the hard part is keeping it). The key is to be consistent and less *ahem* ambitious. Hehe. I mean, go for it when you think you're ready, not when you have the money. (a very expensive lesson for me, sigh.)
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Hey Little Fox, how many hours a day do you put in? I have been playing those retardo tables and I don't think I can last beyond the end of the month. The lack of money for putting in the hours is pissing me off. At least when I played Pacific short table I was making double the money, and I could call it quits after a short period.
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I'm just a student. I do up to 6 hours, usually less. Btw, I feel you, I think I'm generating more high blood pressure by just playing those stupid pp tables. The things I hate most is when someone tries to bully and gets really lucky (44 against AA), the whole table just fish/calls till river, the whole table just never bets (you get trapped betting second pair against top pair caller) and you get plain unlucky (cards never come, when they do: second best). But yeah, I somehow found a way to beat it, but the only problem that I'm facing is my emotions. I do get emotional. Sad.
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littlefox wrote:
"Wavey, you shouldn't follow the book word for word. "
Please note that I am not "wasntme" :-)
Wavey.
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I fully intend to play poker professionally soon. Many of you may think this is very hard but I think differently. Play pro doesn't mean you have to play the 10/20 games or even the ring games at all. They are a higher risk game. I have some other ideas. First of all, i make at my full time job about $2200/month. That's enought to pay the bills and have some savings etc. Now, If I want to make the same playing poker I just need to win $73/day ($73x30days=roughly $2200).
That may seem like a big task but if you're patient you can make that on a $5 single table tourney. those tourney's cost $5 +.50(Royal Vegas Poker site). Top prize is $17.50 giving a net profit of $12. Just win six of these and you make $72.
Winning six in a row is hard so if that's too much try playing other single tourneys like the $10 ($24 net profit) or the best one on royal vegas, the $20 single tourney. I feel this is the best one because it offers prizes for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place. Its very low risk if you feel you are a good player and the payout is good ($28 net profit for 1st and $8 net profit for second).
If you finish 3rd you win $20 (-$2 net loss)
So.......
Let's say you play 5 games and finish 3rd once, 1st twice and 2nd twice. That gives you a total net profit of $70 (28+28+8+8-2)
Do that everyday and you're making $2100/month
I am currently doing this and have turned $6 into $168 in a matter of three days.
As you increase your bounty you can chance a $50 game or even better the $100 game which also pays for three places. This is my goal which I'm sure I'll reach in a matter of weeks.
Now, I am consistently finishing 1st or 2nd and it has taken some experience to get good enough for that. The point I'm trying to make is that small wins can add up. So don't go for the big win and lose everything because Joe Fish gets you on the river, play the small tourneys and be patient and you too can become a pro.
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I should add that these tourney's are five seaters
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Let me get this str8. You won $168 and you think you are ready to play for a living.
You're treating this whole thing like a money machine. You put in $20, turn the crank, and out comes your profit! Put in $1000, and the profits are even larger!
You are going to crash and burn, my logical friend.
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If you read what I wrote you would see the logic my friend. i won't crash and burn cause I'm not taking a big risk. Get it now?
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I seriously wish you all the luck in the world but I've got to agree with bluffist-you are going to crash and burn. There are too many swings of bad cards in poker and it seems that you haven't been playing that many hands to see if your success is just a run of good cards or actual skill. Plus it seems your bankroll might be too small to overcome any runs of bad cards/bad beats.
Again, I wish you all the luck in the world. Let everybody know how its going.
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Good Luck in your venture... I hope you succeed.
But I think you should add some beats in there. You may want to equate some loss in tourneys you dont place in the money. Believe me, all of us would do this if was as easy as stated, but experience tells alot of us otherwise. But again I wish you luck!
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dont quit your day job.
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ok. I will keep you up to date. Obviously there will be losses but overall I feel that if I stay on my game plan, meaning if I lose two in a row I don't go play a higher risk game, then I will end up winning more and more. thanks for the responses.
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If you read what I wrote you would see the logic my friend. i won't crash and burn cause I'm not taking a big risk. Get it now?
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Here's some perspectice. If you had the same persentage results after 1,000 hours, you still wouldn't have a great deal of certainty that you could play $5 SNG's for a living.
Most reputable poker authorities say that the lowest stakes at which a very good player could make a living is 10/20. And that living would deliver much less that $2,200/month.
You need at least 2,000 hours of play to be able to begin comprehending your true win rate.
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This posting obviously has to be a joke. Playing with such rigid "profit" guidelines is certain death. What happens when your cards runs cold for a month? It WILL happen. Sng's can seem like a goldmine when the cards fall your way and your playing with idiots. To become a "pro" tourny player you need what known as a "bankroll". Your 168 dollars is an absurd starting point. You WILL blow it. If you are serious about full time poker playing learn NLHE ring games. Or if you insist on tourneys, multi-table will be worth far more.....if your bankroll can sustain 1-2% win rating, but I very much doubt if YOU could win even ONE. SNG's have a much higher win fluctuation than ring games. If your win rate(over time: 2000 hours like Kurn said) is 1/2 the buy-in per SNG entered, you are an exceptional player. You are on the wrong track, get off.
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There is much debate over what a good long term ROI is in single table tourneys online. Overall the estimates are between 20% and 50%(these estimates were made before the online fish explosion, so they may be slighly low now). So that means the fives would net you between one dollar and 2.5 per tourney. If that sounds too low, remember that you can easily finish out of the money 10-15 times in a row.
Also don't put too much stock in recent results. I'm making over 45/hr this month, but I know my true winrate is closer to 15/hr.
I would suggest learning to beat the 30 single table. Unless you play two tables at once, that's about the level you should be able to beat in order to match your current income in the long run.
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Cardster
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LOOK GUYS QUIT CRUSHING THIS MAN'S DREAM. IF HE WANTS TO PLAY ONLINE POKER FOR A LIVING. THEN LET HIM GO AHEAD. HE MAYBE ONE OF THOSE WHO HAS TO LEARN THE HARD EXPENSIVE WAY. GOOD LUCK, YOU WILL NEED IT!!!
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gambleholic
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Yes you can go pro, just not in any western industrialized country. I think you should try Guatemala. Earning 100 US month is probably the average workers wage. To go pro you would at least need to beat the 20 dollar tourney. Even then you would have to play all day, every day and that can burn you out. Case in point I was beating the 2/4 short table games at Pacific for 1000 US a month 80 to 100 hours a month. In the last 2 months I am clear 1200 US, I have put in 2/3 rds the time, the burnout factor is huge when it comes to gambling. That's why you need to play decent stakes to go pro as down time is important.......
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NiHeraNeSsu
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Recently I started to play heads-up NL tournaments on PokerStars. Believe you or not I won all 12 of my 12 first tournaments -all $20 + $1. Well, after that I was far away from thinking about myself as about the greatest heads-up player. Next day I lost 6 ones of 10. And on day #3 I played against the guy whose only two moves were fold and allin. I played 5 tourneys against him and lost 3 of them. In all 3 the hands which I lost were favorites against those which he went allin with (KK versus AT, 88 versus K9
and AJs versus A9o). So I would never base
my profit expectations on the $5,$10 or $20 tornaments and never ever would consider becoming a pro whose only poker profit is those crappy tournaments results.
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UHA8ME2
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you dont need to play 10/20 or above to be a pro with online poker. Mabye live you have to play 10/20 and above but online you have the ability to play lesser limits and play more tables. The no limit 25,50 and 100 tab les are a very good way to make a good buck with limited risk. I have been playing nl for 5 months now and my earn rate is:
nl25= 25
nl50= 50
nl100= 85
this is with playing 6 tables, this works out better than playing 10/20 because the swings are alot lower. Those are the avg. for the last5 months playing about 25-35 hours a week. So i agree with cincod about not having to play 10/20 but i don't agree with playinh 5nl sit n go's.
What do you guys think about that?
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dillon7
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Originally posted by cincod:
I fully intend to play poker professionally soon. Many of you may think this is very hard but I think differently. Play pro doesn't mean you have to play the 10/20 games or even the ring games at all. They are a higher risk game. I have some other ideas. First of all, i make at my full time job about $2200/month. That's enought to pay the bills and have some savings etc. Now, If I want to make the same playing poker I just need to win $73/day ($73x30days=roughly $2200).
That may seem like a big task but if you're patient you can make that on a $5 single table tourney. those tourney's cost $5 +.50(Royal Vegas Poker site). Top prize is $17.50 giving a net profit of $12. Just win six of these and you make $72.
Winning six in a row is hard so if that's too much try playing other single tourneys like the $10 ($24 net profit) or the best one on royal vegas, the $20 single tourney. I feel this is the best one because it offers prizes for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place. Its very low risk if you feel you are a good player and the payout is good ($28 net profit for 1st and $8 net profit for second).
If you finish 3rd you win $20 (-$2 net loss)
So.......
Let's say you play 5 games and finish 3rd once, 1st twice and 2nd twice. That gives you a total net profit of $70 (28+28+8+8-2)
Do that everyday and you're making $2100/month
I am currently doing this and have turned $6 into $168 in a matter of three days.
As you increase your bounty you can chance a $50 game or even better the $100 game which also pays for three places. This is my goal which I'm sure I'll reach in a matter of weeks.
Now, I am consistently finishing 1st or 2nd and it has taken some experience to get good enough for that. The point I'm trying to make is that small wins can add up. So don't go for the big win and lose everything because Joe Fish gets you on the river, play the small tourneys and be patient and you too can become a pro.
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dillon7
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Originally posted by cincod:
I fully intend to play poker professionally soon. Many of you may think this is very hard but I think differently. Play pro doesn't mean you have to play the 10/20 games or even the ring games at all. They are a higher risk game. I have some other ideas. First of all, i make at my full time job about $2200/month. That's enought to pay the bills and have some savings etc. Now, If I want to make the same playing poker I just need to win $73/day ($73x30days=roughly $2200).
That may seem like a big task but if you're patient you can make that on a $5 single table tourney. those tourney's cost $5 +.50(Royal Vegas Poker site). Top prize is $17.50 giving a net profit of $12. Just win six of these and you make $72.
Winning six in a row is hard so if that's too much try playing other single tourneys like the $10 ($24 net profit) or the best one on royal vegas, the $20 single tourney. I feel this is the best one because it offers prizes for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place. Its very low risk if you feel you are a good player and the payout is good ($28 net profit for 1st and $8 net profit for second).
If you finish 3rd you win $20 (-$2 net loss)
So.......
Let's say you play 5 games and finish 3rd once, 1st twice and 2nd twice. That gives you a total net profit of $70 (28+28+8+8-2)
Do that everyday and you're making $2100/month
I am currently doing this and have turned $6 into $168 in a matter of three days.
As you increase your bounty you can chance a $50 game or even better the $100 game which also pays for three places. This is my goal which I'm sure I'll reach in a matter of weeks.
Now, I am consistently finishing 1st or 2nd and it has taken some experience to get good enough for that. The point I'm trying to make is that small wins can add up. So don't go for the big win and lose everything because Joe Fish gets you on the river, play the small tourneys and be patient and you too can become a pro. what are u smoking
send me some good luck anyway. dillon7
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dillon7
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Originally posted by cincod:
I fully intend to play poker professionally soon. Many of you may think this is very hard but I think differently. Play pro doesn't mean you have to play the 10/20 games or even the ring games at all. They are a higher risk game. I have some other ideas. First of all, i make at my full time job about $2200/month. That's enought to pay the bills and have some savings etc. Now, If I want to make the same playing poker I just need to win $73/day ($73x30days=roughly $2200).
That may seem like a big task but if you're patient you can make that on a $5 single table tourney. those tourney's cost $5 +.50(Royal Vegas Poker site). Top prize is $17.50 giving a net profit of $12. Just win six of these and you make $72.
Winning six in a row is hard so if that's too much try playing other single tourneys like the $10 ($24 net profit) or the best one on royal vegas, the $20 single tourney. I feel this is the best one because it offers prizes for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place. Its very low risk if you feel you are a good player and the payout is good ($28 net profit for 1st and $8 net profit for second).
If you finish 3rd you win $20 (-$2 net loss)
So.......
Let's say you play 5 games and finish 3rd once, 1st twice and 2nd twice. That gives you a total net profit of $70 (28+28+8+8-2)
Do that everyday and you're making $2100/month
I am currently doing this and have turned $6 into $168 in a matter of three days.
As you increase your bounty you can chance a $50 game or even better the $100 game which also pays for three places. This is my goal which I'm sure I'll reach in a matter of weeks.
Now, I am consistently finishing 1st or 2nd and it has taken some experience to get good enough for that. The point I'm trying to make is that small wins can add up. So don't go for the big win and lose everything because Joe Fish gets you on the river, play the small tourneys and be patient and you too can become a pro.
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Thanks UHA8ME2. I think what you said makes sense too. Maybe more sense in the long run. I'll let you know how its going at the end of the month. I can't believe how many responses there has been. I think the idea of going pro is a very hot topic.
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UHA8ME2, 6 tables at once! I'm impressed, I like to study my opponents play at no-limit I doubt I would be comfortable doing more than one table but your results speak for themselves. What strategy adjustments do you make to compensate for the reduced information on your opponents and game texture? Nice results there.
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UHA8ME2
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I run into trouble when I play the person, so if i have the goods im in, and if I don;t im out.
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Going pro is like when you played playground football with your buddies and you dreamed of playing in the NFL.......
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I have about 4 years experience playing holdem, read all the books, etc. I was thinking of going pro for a long time and when I got fired I decided to take a shot at it. I've only been doing it a few months and have had moderate success. Let me tell you it is NOT easy, playing while working you have something to fall back on. You don't have to put in the hours and always have your A game.
I play NL 100's if I go on tilt once or even be just a little stupid and make a loose call etc, there goes my profit for the day, or week.
Anyway I know i'm rambling but you should seriously consider the task before you. And I would recommend a 10000 bank roll, and to play 30 or higher tourneys, (if tourneys are what you choose)
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BlueOakleyz
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I had that line of thinking for a few days
oh this can be my new job!
but no it never turns out that way
Poker should be for fun. If you want to be a pro, go to tournaments in vegas and win big money but that's really it.
There are so many psychological and biological changes that affect gameplay that you can't control.
It's not like going to a job that's really dependent
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I think that this topic generates the most response on this and other forums because most people dream of leaving their job. I don't have any hard numbers, but I would estimate that at least 80% of the US population are not happy and enthusiastic about going to work every day.
I found that since I have spent the majority of my life working, I need to know that I will have some kind of income every month. I think one plays best when they just don't worry at all about losing. My current results are much better than when I played for a living.
I intend to try it again myself, but this time my wife and I will both work about 20-30 hours a week each to have some sure income until our house is paid off. Work has some other benefits to the full time poker player that extend beyond the sure money. It is very easy to get lazy and not do much outside of playing and thinking about the game. Leaving poker to work forces you to get your mind off the game and puts you in a different environmnent for a while. I believe this is good for your brain and your game.
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Quote Aces Suited:
I play NL 100's if I go on tilt once or even be just a little stupid and make a loose call etc, there goes my profit for the day, or week.
I have two stupid questions.
1.What does it mean to go on tilt?
2.How do i quote someone the right way(with the black lettering and stuff)?
Thanks
Bne
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Answer to Question #1
TILT:
Good poker seems to require good discipline. However, even good players are often tempted to do things they know are bad ideas when they get frustrated, angry, or upset for any reason. They go "on tilt." Sort of like a pinball machine, except with pinball it only costs you a quarter. Typical tilt play is much too loose and often very aggressive, beacause a player on tilt wants very badly to win a pot, and isn't rational enough to wait for cards that are worth playing or situations that are worth attacking.
Answer to question #2
Look at the bar next to the time you posted your reply. There is a icon that looks like a sheet of paper with a Red Arrow. This will allow you to reply with a quote.
Hope this helps
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I wish you the best with your new career Cincod. You are welcome at my table any day.
good luck
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srolle
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Hey cincod,
Just some advice from playing a whoole bunch of 5+1 NL sit n gos at party.
I played to at a time, and I play a whole bunch of them >250.
My average always stayed in the $7-$8/hour range.
assuming two things
1) playing two tournaments at once
2) average tournament lasted 40 mins
Given the lack of skill of the opponents at this level, i dont feel like it is possible to play more than $1/ hour or so better than that given "perfect play."
dont set a stop win limit. and don't quit your job.
And don't be afraid to post your new results. I'm sure your luck hasn't held up as you expected. but hey, that's what we're here for. Post your worst plays. When you lose a hand that you didn't get outdrawn on. Look for advice and get better. That's why i read this forum.
Dont be offended by alot the mean remarks either. You're talking to a group that has played alot of hands, and understands randomness and short-term discrepancies. and your post obviously consider that.
How'd it go?
scott
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I spent three months playing with play money, and the last six weeks playing low limit with hard cash. I have played 700 hands at $O.50/1 tables and entered 16 tournaments at $5+1. The lowest I have been down is -$20 and the highest is +$20. I am currently up a little. Basically I find it hard to imagine improving to a degree where I could go pro at the low limits, mainly due to the fact that this is no fold em hold em and you lose too much to lucky rivers
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gambleholic
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It's impossible to go pro at any level below 1/2. Even at 1/2 the most you can make is about 8 dollars an hour, so unless you have a reason why you can't leave your home even that's not worth it. The minimum you should aspire to is 3/6 if the games are fairly loose(or 2/4 short table)and this is online only. Anything less than 5/10 live and you will be having the same problem as 1/2 or less online is the weak money worth the effort........
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Siohmy
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Well for starters as Acessuited mentioned you need a fairly hefty bankroll to even think about turning pro. The key thing is that you must not play with fear. A sizeable bankroll will mean you make correct decisions based on (hopefully) good knowledge and play and not that $500 could go up in smoke on the next card and you'll be broke.
Unless you fasttrack yourself by throwing a wedge of cash into playing which would be suicidal then take things slowly. I'm very much at the low end of the ladder having only been playing for cash for 10 weeks during which time I have been doing quite well. I am playing mostly 1/2 cash games with the odd dabble at 2/4 and single table tourneys to get ready for the next step up.
The reason I'm saying this is that I've done pretty well. I initially deposited $100 and, including money I've withdrawn, have made a profit of $900. Am I thinking I'm ready to turn pro? Hell no! You cannot base results or ability in a short snap shot of time. My profit is a combination of reading up, good play and no small amount of good cards. I'm not sure if I'll ever look to turn pro as a good job coupled with a good second income is a pretty pleasant position to be in. I would suggest you put in a lot of mileage at a higher level table and look at your position in 12-24 months. If you are making good money after that then it may be worth considering. Key thing is, as everyone is saying, walk before you run.
I hope this comes across OK. I'm just relaying how I look at my position which looks like it's not that disimilar
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