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World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2007 Schedule
* July 10 at 8 and 9 pm: Event 1, World Championship Mixed hold 'em (limit/no-limit, 3 day event), $5,000 buyin
* July 17 at noon: Live pay-per-view of the final table of Event 55, No-limit hold 'em (the Main Event), $10,000 buyin
* July 17 at 8 pm: Event 3, No-limit hold 'em (3 day event), $1,500 buyin
* July 17 at 9 pm: Event 4, Pot-limit hold 'em (3 day event), $1,500 buyin
* or
* July 17 at 9 pm: Event 7, Pot-limit Omaha w/rebuys (2 day event), $5,000 buyin
* July 31 at 8 pm: Event 8, No-limit hold 'em w/rebuys (3 day event), $1,000 buyin
* July 31 at 9 pm: Event 13, World Championship pot-limit hold 'em (3 day event), $5,000 buyin
* August 7 at 8 pm: Event 28, No-limit hold 'em (3 day event), $3,000 buyin
* August 7 at 9 pm: Event 30, No-limit hold 'em - 6 handed (3 day event), $2,500 buyin
* August 14 at 8 pm, Event 31, World Championship Heads Up no-limit hold 'em (3 day event), $5,000 buyin
* or
* August 14 at 8 pm: Event 33, Pot-limit Omaha w/rebuys (2 day event), $1,500 buyin
* August 14 at 9 pm: Event 50, World Championship pot-limit Omaha (2 day event), $10,000 buyin
* August 21 to October 9, Tuesday nights at 8 and 9 pm: Event 55, No-limit hold 'em (the Main Event), $10,000 buyin
* October 16 to October 30, Tuesday nights at 8 and 9 pm: Event 39, World Championship HORSE (5 day event), $50,000 buyin
Just curious if anyone would be interested.
What would you guys pay to learn how to become a winning poker player?
Something that will basically help you to win THOUSANDS over your life?
What do you guys think would be a fair price for this?
The reason is I'm considering teaching 10 people how to play poker so I can add a lot of money to my bankroll pretty quickly and make a run at the big boys
I have posted here before. You all can follow my bankroll as proof I'm a winning player: http://www.pokerstart.com/pokerbankroll.html
The goal of $5000 will be reached soon. I started with $100
I was thinking $800
What do you guys think of that? I think it's a fair price no?
My system is basically automatic and has been tested vigorously up to stakes of $2-$4
This is what I play every day.
Let me know your guys thoughts.
And post your e-mail too if you might be interested. Later
Or you can e-mail me at: webmaster@pokerstart.com
blubster
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I was thinking of doing the same I would even email a copy of my deposits, and cashouts from the pokerroom, and Pacific to show as proof. I was thinking of charging 200 a day Canadian..........
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LOL Yeah sure take lessons from some fish LOL what a joke
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ummm
I think my account says otherwise
probably one of the suckers making it nice and fat
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U8me I have played with you many times, at Pacific, my nickname there is the DaDumper, tell the forum whether I am a fish.......
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I really don't pay attention to who I am playing against, I play 6 tables at a time but I will keep an eye out for you. I guess If you are asking that you are a good player.
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I teach on line, I charge $25 for an hour on line with me, they pay for the call.
We have a poker discussion website as well, discussing hands (victorypoker.com).
For more info Teachtnt@adelphia.net
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lol
anybody else out there teach?
Didn't know my thread would be follwed up by everyone else offering their services lol
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So radar is jack 3 off a good call in first position in a 20/40 tight aggressive game, it's the one flaw in my game if I tighten that up I may be able to beat the game........
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hey blubster simply showing copies of your balance is meaningless. They are undated and you could make deposits to improve the figures. If you want to prove your poker skills to us tell us your username and we can watch you. If you make serious money I will gladly pay you to learn. Will you take up this challenge?
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I play .5/1 hold'em and winning almost everyday by using few simple rules.
I play at party poker, player ID is playnuts, you can find a screen shot of my casher history at http://recommendasite.com/pp.gif
I like to sale my rules for $200 per person, if you are interested, pay me by paypal or neteller, when I received the payment I will email my rules to you.
You can contact me at playnuts@msn.com.
Good luck to all!
Joe
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Is this a joke or what?
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LOL Troyboy
I don't know what I started. Sorry. I guess everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.
Hi Rodgepodge, you're right about that. I showed my first screenshot with a $100 deposit, but none after so its true someone could just be depositing.
What I'll do soon is post my deposit window, as well as my withdrawl window. But now thinking, even this way someone would be able to just show their first deposit but you never know if they've deposited AFTER that. But I have the remedy.
What I'll do is when I do the next screenshots, I will have the current page of the Online LA Times in the background of the screenshots so that way you know the screenshots are up to date and that I HAVE NOT Deposited more then $100.
This way you can see for example that as of July 28th, 2003 I have not deposited more then $100 and that I have withdrawn $3000 for instance.
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Not a joke, if you can write a program to auto play hold'em by following my few simple rules, please contact me, I will pay you handsome or share it with you.
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Playnuts,
I checked your page... and it looks like you have gone broke a bunch of times too... Although, i realize you do win more thatn you lose.
Second, if your system is so great, why not move up to 1/2, the competition is sitll bad there?
I'm not knocking you as a poker player at all. But i dont think you can actual sell someone your system yet. I only play 5+1 NL tournaments, and i've developed a strategy for these. I keep track of all my results in excel, and they prove that this game is beatable. Would you want to just exchange notes and talk about low-limit strategy together?
scott
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I think this thread is the exact reason most poker authors seem to have won at least one WSOP needle. In poker I guess that's the only way to prove to the world that you're just another nobody. As it happens I now have a roll about the size of the prize for a seat at the WSOP main event. How much of a nobody does that make me???
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I started at party poker with $50, play 3 tables all time, .5/1 hold'em.
I always cash out $150 when I reached $200, and leave $50 to play.
I lost the $50 playing bankroll two times only, and won $150 10 times.
In between I lost $100 at 5/10 and $200 at 2/4 but those were the profit I made from .5/1 games.
The rules are simple, but the pain is to follow it exactly, if you can't do it, it won't help.
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So radar is jack 3 off a good call in first position in a 20/40 tight aggressive game, it's the one flaw in my game if I tighten that up I may be able to beat the game........
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Thank you, but you might want to start with playing like you do in blackjack, you know the cards that are good there too, don't ya? They work good for beginners like yourself.
I write a few articles: Here's one from Poker Digest they published for the 2001 WSOP edition.
A Chip, a Chair, and a Prayer!
I could not imagine the intensity and the electricity felt throughout the casino as I strode into Binion’s to play in my first World Series of Poker. There was a buzz of excitement emanating from everywhere in the room. And in separate corners, like heavyweight prizefighters, stood the real giants and legends of the game. “Amarillo” Slim Preston, Johnny Chan, and Doyle Brunson to name a few. All were holding court with a small number of friends and several wide-eyed admirers who got into the tournament during those ever-popular satellite games. Although the Icons of poker were entrenched with introductions and all that “how ya been talk,” they continued to have a watchful eye on the entire room. You could see their eyes scanning the room, sizing up competitors, and filing away tidbits of information on mannerisms, facial expressions and of course body language. An art most of us are learning and developing as we compete during each tournament or in a local ring game. Nothing like years of experience to detect the slightest tell, right Mike Caro?
Waiting for all the pre-tournament hype and the chip distribution to conclude was painstakenly slow and time consuming. I keep mumbling to myself that if I don’t see a flop pretty soon, I’m just going to explode from anticipation and nervousness. You see, to us newcomers, the thrill of being there is like the first time having sex. It’s quick, it’s often painful, and then it’s over! Then for years to follow we talk about how great it was and by the time we’re 30, our recollection of this event is conclusive proof of how manly we really were, even at our first attempt.
Getting back to the tables and the first shuffle and deal. The noise level in the room grew with every breath we took, and when the official word came to start dealing the room fell silent as competitors slid into character, poker face on, sunglasses positioned just right, and head sets attached to one or both ears. I was shocked to see two former WSOP champions at my table and the bracelets they were wearing were certainly intimidating pieces of hardware. Where are my sunglasses?
I’ve got my chips, I’m in my chair and I’ve said a last prayer for luck; so deal the stinkin’ cards! Round the table the cards slid so effortlessly across the newly laid felt tabletop. A King of clubs then a Queen of hearts, good cards for the first tournament hand when most players play somewhat tight and are often busy sizing up the rest of the table. Being in the small blind I begin to process information and quickly looking for tells. Do I raise when it comes around to me, or act tight and set a small trap. I’ll be first to act after the flop no matter what, so do I want to advertise? Three limpers later the decision is mine and I must not hesitate with my action. Bam, I raise the pot $400 and get two callers from seat 5 (lets call him Rowdy) and seat 7 (lets call him Elton, being he has a British twang). Now being in the small blind I’ve put the burden on myself to lead at the pot or show weakness. What would the flop bring, and how would I proceed? The flop comes, Qc, 6h, 2s rainbow and I bet $800. Seat 5 folds what had to be a drawing hand, and seat 7 smooth calls. The turn is J of clubs and seems like no help to either of us and I bet $1400. Seat 7 again just calls and I look for something like a 7 on the river, preferably not a club, and definitely not a card that pairs the board. It’s unbelievably a 7 of hearts, as I breathe a bit easier and bet $2,500. Without hesitation, Elton comes over me with an all-in raise on the very first hand I have entered. Holy mackerel, I slump conspicuously back in my chair and examine my hand again. Did I miss calculate my opponents hand. Wouldn’t he have raised with AA, KK, or QQ, from seat 7 with those type cards? I certainly would. Or did he have AQ and I’m out kicked. Oh crap, me and my theory on demonstrating beginning tournament savvy and taking down an early pot. I started to push all my chips and call his bet when my hand started shaking and I suddenly pulled back both my thoughts and the bet. I promptly folded what I thought was a sure winner.
Normally, opponents don’t show cards when they don’t have to, but Elton wanted the entire table to see his A2 of clubs and flashed his hand. I had thrown away the winner, exposed myself to the entire table as to what type of player I was, and also let Elton plant a seed for his opponents to fear or try to conquer. Worse than anything, I was on tilt, and it wasn’t five minutes into the tournament.
Just as I posted the big blind I heard loud music and rose to see what the hell was going on! To my amazement and relief it was just my alarm clock and the beginning of another workday. I was quite relieved learning it was only a dream, but damn, it seemed so real. Here I thought my entry into the 2001 WSOP had been secured by winning an on-line sweepstakes from Pokerpages.com. No chance, I was only playing cards several times a week and continuing to bet hands from a deep sleep. Maybe it was the excitement that this time of year brings with the big tournament, or maybe I too have let the magical, addicting potion of poker capture my soul.
My wife has always said, “Over doing alcohol is a bad habit but is easy to detect, however with poker players, you can’t even smell the cards on their breath!”
Oh Floorman!
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And here's one a few of my favorite players had to say to me:
Final table, a super satellite no-limit holdem’ event and you find yourself:
“Under the Gun”
by Al Spath
Constantly pistol-whipped and brow beaten by an onslaught of competitors for playing so many marginal hands sitting “Under the Gun,” it was time to refocus on my playing strategy and examine my game for easily detected flaws. “You’ve got to Inspect what you Expect!” So I decided to perform a thorough self-examination and I focused on a point in time during tournament holdem’ play where many consider you make your most critical money making decision: Under the Gun!
There was no beating around the bush and so I started by asking myself what cards were playable, or rather raise-able from this position. But then I had a much better idea, and I thought about the true champions and legends of poker, and the writers, who in these types of magazines hint that they too have “game,” and decided to ask them for their thoughts. This is what they had to say:
The following scenario was presented to each person surveyed:
You find yourself Under the Gun at the final table of a no-limit holdem’ super satellite event with 7 unknown opponents and 2 world-class champions seated directly to your right. The blinds are $2,500 and $5,000, and you are in dead last with $67,000 in chips. The players between you and the button are all medium to low stacked. The chip leader with $650,000 is the big blind, followed by the $275,000 held by the small blind. Your cards are KJd; what would you do? And why?
If you were the chip leader in the same seat with the same cards, how different would your approach be to playing or not playing this hand?
Having provided that scenario I quickly found out how smart these guys and gals really were. I was instantly bombarded with questions: Do I know the other players at the final table and their style of play, how many seats are up for grabs, did I make a mistake in the blind amounts, and on and on. Okay, I confess, not ever been to the final table at a big event, I might have left out a “tiny bit” of information, but like troopers storming a ridge, they still all responded with caveats to my scenario. So here’s what they said, almost word for word, and my humiliation!
Susie Issacs responds:
I’m mucking the hand for several reasons and here are three: #1 – There will be several seats awarded (you haven’t said how many but I assume in a super satellite there would be 4, 5, or 6), so I am mostly interested in survival. After I get through the blinds I would still have $60K left and now many hands to look at, possibly in better position. There are too many players to overcome if I commit that early. #2 – With lesser strength cards I would have a better chance at bluffing at the pot from the button on even 1 or 2 hands behind the button. #3 – Mucking that hand in that position gives me time to find a better hand or better position to bluff. While waiting, other players may go to war, it takes only one chip to win a seat…
If I were the chip leader, I am still going to throw the hand away. I am not looking to win the most hands or chips; I am just trying to win a $10K seat. Survival is key.
Mike Sexton responds:
I still think you need to include the most important detail – How many seats are being awarded? The blinds compared to your stack still give you time to play. However, I have no doubts that the chip counts are wrong. Back to the question. I believe the correct answer is to move-in, with Fold being a close second. There is no other choice. You still have enough chips to put a dent in the others, and you don’t have to worry so much about the blinds because as many chips as they appear to have, they do not need to play a pot (and most likely wouldn’t unless they picked up a real big hand). They wouldn’t call with A-10, or A-J for example. (I can say that because you said they were top players) Also, when you move-in in the first position, people put you on a BIG hand.
Rolf Slotboom responds:
First of all, the ratio of the blinds is rather low in relation to the amount of chips in play; this would be unusual for a super-satellite, right? Before you read my comments, please keep in mind I am a money player. It is unusual for me to enter more than ten tournaments a year and I never play satellites; therefore my opinion regarding the situation you describe is just that: an opinion (nothing more, nothing less).
In the case you describe (BB only $5,000, me as the short stack still $67,000), I wouldn’t mess with KJ under the gun, the game still being eight-handed. Had the BB been $20,000, I might very well have committed by raising all-in, but now I have a little more time: if I fold now and I also fold my blinds I still have $60,000 left to try to find a better situation to get my money in.
Regarding your second question: even though I tend to be very aggressive in the (few) tournaments I play, whenever I’ve accumulated a lot of chips, with blinds only this size, there doesn’t seem to be any need to become aggressive now. If I put in a lot of chips now, I will only get action from hands better than mine. So I’m not going to put a lot of chips at risk to try to win only $7,500 (the total sum of the blinds). If I’m not mistaken, there are more than $1,000,000 in chips on the table, so the small and big blind together account for a lot less than 1 percent of the total chip amount.
Daniel Negreanu responds:
You’ve left out some important information, how many seats are they giving away? Regardless of that fact, considering all the possibilities I move all-in.
Since I’m the short stack, I likely have to increase my stack to get a seat. If however I had 300,000 in
chips, I would likely make it 20,000 to go and most likely fold to a re-raise.
Matt Lessinger responds:
In your first scenario, where I am the low chip man UTG with KJd, it is an easy fold. I may be in last in chips, but I am nowhere near being blinded off, so I can afford to be patient. And with two world-class players in the blinds with large stacks, there is no sense getting involved with such a marginal hand.
If I am the chip leader, the situation changes. I don’t think you could ever be completely wrong for folding KJd UTG under any circumstances, but you would be more correct in playing it if you have the table chip lead.
Matt goes on to say, “In no-limit, stack size is almost as important as what cards you do play. But that works both ways. You can’t just concentrate on your own stack size; you have to worry about the relative stack sizes of each and every opponent. That is the one piece of information that has been left out.
Lou Krieger responds:
Al, although this scenario is a bit dicey because you’ve not provided any indication about the playing style of the opposition, and not all world class players have the same style. Some, like Berry Johnston and Tom McEvoy, are more deliberate, while others, like John Bonetti love to mix it up. In addition, I have no insights into the playing styles of those less-than-world-class opponents who are also at the table.
However, since I am in last place in a super-satellite, and am assuming that only a few will win entries into the big dance, I need to gather some chips, so here’s my thinking.
If I raise from under the gun by making it $10,000 or $15,000 to go, my opponents will either credit me for a pair – any pair will do – or a hand with an ace in it. I’ve not yet reached the point where I have to play just about any hand for all my chips; I still can see some cards before my stack is that depleted.
Opponents who act after me are unlikely call my raise without a hand that can beat a pair, or an ace with a reasonable kicker. As for the two world class opponents who are hovering to my right with lots of chips, I assume they will also call me if they have hands that can beat an ace or a pair – unless, of course, they are skilled enough to read me for a steal – with precisely the kind of hand I have. Even so, I’m not so short stacked that either of them will probably want to risk putting me all in unless their cards can support their actions. One of them might come over the top if he’s holding an ace, figuring that I might not want to commit all my chips in a position where I figure to be either a rather small favorite or a big underdog.
Before I raise with this hand, however, I’ve got to be willing to commit all of my chips if any of my opponents come over the top. If I am not willing to play this hand for all my chips, I really shouldn’t play it at all. I certainly have enough in front of me to see the impending blinds – and another round after that – and still have more than $50,000 in front of me.
If I were the chip leader at the table instead of the short-stack, I’d surely raise by making it $10,000 to go. But if someone came over the top of me, I could easily afford to release my hand, since I’d really be risking no more than a very small percentage of my stack in an attempt to steal the pot with a marginal holding. If I come in for that kind of small raise as chip leader and am called, I’m going to put my opponent all in if I flop a king, a jack, a straight draw, or a flush draw. Moreover, I’ll probably put him to a decision about most or all of his chips if the flop is ragged and he’s a solid enough player to release his hand to a big bet on the flop.
Andy Glazer responds:
Lovely, I have position on two guys and they are the ones with big stacks and who play well.
I have plenty of time, and there’s probably not much limping going on at this stage of the tournament, so much of this hand’s value – the flush or high straight – isn’t working for me. I’m likely to be heads up with someone who will pop me back for the rest of my chips, and I don’t even have an ace in my hand. The goods news is the two big stacks are both smart enough to know they don’t have to take risks. However, just folding and waiting for a moment where I have position on the big stacks and know whether they will be in there or not might be better.
If I’m the chip leader, my hand goes into the muck so fast people might think I’d never been dealt cards. Why would I want to risk a giant stack in early position when I’m practically a lock for a seat without playing a hand?
Despite the lack of information provided by yours truly, it was very interesting to note the real questions raised by these respected players and authors. Although approaches varied, “stack sizes, position and information relating to opponent styles were indeed as important as the cards dealt.” So, the next time you hear, “Cards in the Air,” be sure you have all the information available before it’s time for you to act “Under the Gun.”
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800 dollars for lessons?? I've been cleaning up with power holdem + and it cost 10 dollars!! dream on dawg.
for those you who want an affordable way to play poker you can find it at http://www.online-pokerguide.com/holdem-poker-strategy.htm
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And they offer proof of results where? Please point me to the page?
I guess you get what you pay for.
$800 is nothing for what I'm offering.
I'm up $3000 playing small stakes in about 1 month and a half
Also, I'm not just talking about giving you a piece of paper like some of the bandwagoners who've jumped on my thread here, I'm talking about ongoing coaching and lessons until you are a winning player.
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well they dont offer "proof of results", how could they honestly? but its working for me. 400 dollars/month while you may scoff at it id be more than happy to keep making that playing low risk low limit. if you can "prove to me" 800 dollars is a great investment for your services, how about I just stake you, you give me 5% of the winnings, and if you lose, you pay me back. Does that sound good? It should b/c your system "guarantees" results.
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HAHA, see you guys at my tables!
Party poker, playnuts!
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He can offer proof easily. The guy could easily post the screenshots of is account windows and put his money where his mouth is. Let's see how much he's deposited and how much he's withdrawn?
Very easy to do.
Just cause he can type testomonials himself is not good enough reason to buy.
Anyone can type on their website:
"Your system works great , I'm up $400 playing Power Holde'm. Thanks!" - David Smith
And make up testomonials all they want but not everyone will show their account windows and back up their claims.
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"if you can "prove to me" 800 dollars is a great investment for your services,"
My screenshots will show I've deposited $100 and withdrawn $5000
If you don't see that as a great investment you will be stuck at the 0.50 cent tables for quite some time
blubster
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"This way you can see for example that as of July 28th, 2003 I have not deposited more then $100 and that I have withdrawn $3000 for instance."
That won't prove anything, you scratch out the user info, so it could be another account. Not to mention doctoring those pics would be very very easy, they don't exactly have anti-counterfeiting measures.
Why don't you just offer a risk free investment since you can't lose? I give you 800 dollars. At the end of the month you give me 800+5% of profits (should be around 1250$). If you lose you cover my 800 dollars + 4% interest and pay me 832$. You do that even if you lose because this is "guaranteed". I open up the account and you play with it, that way I can monitor the bankroll the whole time.
Also, why do you need to give telephone consultation for weeks and weeks if your system is automatic? Why not write it out like ph? You claim your teaching is superior b/c you give so much extra help, but then you say your system is automatic.
So are you taking us for complete idiots? We need telephone consultation around the clock to play an automatic system?
i just dont see how you can tell me a system i paid 10$ for and am winning with is "unproven" while your system for 800$ and no proof has "proven results." low limit guys check out ph+ at online-pokerguide.com unless you are a dirt poor loser like blubster thinks i am and 400 dollars a month is nothing to you.
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just noticed your earlier post and am even more irritated that you criticize me.
"I guess you get what you pay for.
$800 is nothing for what I'm offering.
I'm up $3000 playing small stakes in about 1 month and a half"
So I'll assume you didn't just have a good month. I pay you 800 dollars, I get up 3000 in a month, for a net profit of 2200, less than 3 times my investment.
With PH i pay 10 bucks, im on my way to winning at LEAST 400 bucks this month.
That 40 times my initial investment. And you are telling me your system is a better deal than what im using???? 40-1 vs. 3-1, get realistic.
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LOL what other account? Feel free to make some sense
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OK doctor a pic for me. Should be no problem since it's VERY , VERY easy to do right? Will be waiting to see it.
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LMAO Why would I play for you? Are you slow?
My bankroll is at $3,000 and am only doing this to move to $15-$30 MUCH faster then on the pace I'm on now which will take several months to get there. what the heck you talking about
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umm where did I say weeks and weeks of phone consultation? what the heck are you talking about? I never even said phone once. LOL It would be ongoing help on a forum or in a chatroom if you need it. Some people will get it rigt away and some people need more help then others, and would like to ask questions every now and then. Keep making stuff up though I guess? LOL
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It's obvious who the idiot is here
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"i just dont see how you can tell me a system i paid 10$ for and am winning with is "unproven" while your system for 800$ and no proof has "proven results." low limit guys check out ph+ at online-pokerguide.com"
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ummm so fake testomonials like "I'm winning $400 a month playing Power Hold'em" - John Smith carry more weight to you then actual screnshots of someones account windows. LOL ok guy, you are making some excellent points.
Are you just mad cause I outed your scam website with fake testomonials on it? LMAO
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"LOL what other account? Feel free to make some sense"
you could put a picture up of any account at any date with the amount you want be shown. since you don't even give us a pokerroom name these could be screenshots from different accounts.
"OK doctor a pic for me. Should be no problem since it's VERY , VERY easy to do right? Will be waiting to see it."
I will when I get home, look for it later tonite or tomorrow posted on here.
"My system is basically automatic and has been tested vigorously up to stakes of $2-$4
This is what I play every day..."
"My bankroll is at $3,000 and am only doing this to move to $15-$30 MUCH faster then on the pace I'm on now"
How will a bankroll of more than 3000 help you move faster at 2-4? Do you play 25 simulaneous 2-4 tables? That's ridiculous.
I misquoted you about the telephone, what you said was "ongoing coaching and lessons", but same point applies. Oh I can go for advice to you on the forum for 800$? Thanks but I think ill ask the 5000 other people for free.
"ummm so fake testomonials like "I'm winning $400 a month playing Power Hold'em" - John Smith carry more weight to you then actual screnshots of someones account windows."
both of them mean jack sh|t. windows are a little harder to fake than testimonials but both are very easy. the testimonials could be fake for all i know, i really dont give a damn. the point is its working for ME. since it is i am much more likely to conclude YOU are the scam artist, asking for 800 dollars so you can "win faster" at 2-4 when you alreayd have a 3k bankroll.
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hey holla1time how many hours a month you playing to make $400
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rodge, id say ive played 25 hours in one week and am up 235. i cant keep playing this often, (gf coming to visit for a week) that's why im estimating ill make 400 or so this month, still not sure though, hopefully things keep going as well as they are.
oh yeah ive been playing 1-2, so assuming things went the same i could be up a lot more on 2-4 or 3-6 which is why ill probably give that a shot soon.
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WHAT A PARTY!
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Radar I hope you are being humorous like I was I know jack 3 off is an accident waiting to happen.
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congrats blubster you are up to almost 9000 now. very impressive. (this took about 45 seconds to do)
http://www.geocities.com/holllllla123/fakeacct.gif
its comes up small but click on it fast, microsoft icon should come up, click on that fast and it will enlarge the pic.
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sorry you have to go there first, then type in fakeacct.gif after the holllla123/ or set the image as your background for a second to see blubsters "proof".
http://www.geocities.com/holllllla123/
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Blubster how anyone can make out these figures I will never know? I know you are over a grand and thats about it, the rest is rather fuzzy..........
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Radar I hope you are being humorous like I was I know jack 3 off is an accident waiting to happen.
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None of this can be for real, can it??? I've been playing poker for more than 10 years and 3+ online, and anyone that plays 1-2 or smaller probably can't give you too much info about the game. I hope this thread is a joke, but if it's not-some of you guys need some serious help.
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I'm still waiting for a PIC?????
I don't see shiat.
funny all these morons criticizing are playing the 25 cent tables at party. LMAO
there's a reason why you're there. just remember that. lol
will be waiting for the Pic as I've clicked 2 links and have seen nothing
good luck at the 25 cent tables. LOL
by the way, only 8 more to teach, 2 have already got going. 8 more and its done
later
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OK I see it. umm you did the wrong window though LOL
even so, I'm still getting the best way to do it straigtened out. Maybe I will post checks, and certified by a notary or something.
most people that know me though, know i'm a winning player and have no trouble believing how much i'm up. I'm at party hours a day, and many people there use poker tracker so its easy to KNOW who wins and who loses.
anyway, not really concerned whether a sucker like you playing 25 cent tables belives me or not. like i said, 2 people have already started with me and will only be taking 8 more.
you however, will still be playing the 25 cents tables
How much of your edge do you lose by playing two tables at the same time? Personally I find myself only playing my cards and not following individual tendancys like I would playing only one table. Last night after playing for 2 hours, on two different tables at the same time, it hit me that I hadn't taken any notes on any of the players. Since switching to 2 tables I am down 33 BB in my last 100 hours of play. Playing only one table I was averaging almost 2 BB per hour profit. Could playing two tables turn a winning player into a losing player or is 100 hours (12000) hands not enough hours to go by?
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I had the same problems, observing who is a tight solid player and who plays paint anything is hard to do, a friend of mine plays two tables and wins, but he plays 2 party .5/1 tables and just plays pot odds as there aren't too many solid players at these games to begin with.
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Multi-table play probably just takes some getting used to. I know I was on information overload the first time I tried it, even though I have no trouble keeping up with things when I play a single-table game.
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I'll probably get flamed for saying this but I'll say it anyhow.
Two!? For a while I was playing 3 and occasionaly 4 tables at a time. Maybe I have ADD but I just don't have the patience to play one table at a time. One thing I did have to learn was to stop trying to use the damn option buttons. I would usually play on Stars and Pacific at the same time. 2-3 tables on stars and one table at pacific. I had to learn not to scroll through the tables and play the hands until the screen comes "active" in front of me. I would click one of the games on stars and right as I was clicking option button on stars it would be my turn at pacific and that screen would pop up in front of me I would accidently raise on that table.
Kind of irritating to accidently 3 betting K2o preflop on a 5-10 table but I have done it.
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What guys at Pacific call that down capped and drag down monsters.........
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This is an interesting topic. I've played for almost 3 years and up until recently, I played 2 tables at once.
The last 150 hours I have been playing one table and I'm actually doing better overall. I think it's because I would miss way too much information playing two. I had my second biggest daily win the other day in 6 hours on just one table online. I have also been playing looser and change my play depending on who is in the pot, my image, ect. I also think that you can judge how profitable a game is or isn't faster in one game. But I will say that if you don't have the discipline to follow the play-by-play of every hand when you are not in the pot, you would probably be better off playing fewer hands in two games.
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I'm doing way better now that I'm playing 3 tables instead of 1. At the .5/1 tables people play too wild to keep very accurate notes on anyway. As long as you have a basic idea of who will raise with Kx and bluffs every hand they are in, and the other people who will only raise if they have a full house or better, then I don't think there is much more you need to do in the ways of reading oppenents and these low of limits. Your reads would be too inaccurate for most players anyway since they'll play all kinds of crap in the most ridiculous ways imaginable.
Another reason I'm doing better at 3 tables though is because I get bored playing one table and start drifting off or surfing the web. 3 tables keeps my attention focuses on what I'm doing.
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I'm always playing 3 tables, and sometimes I play a stud hilo table along with my two holdem tables. It take some time to get used to, but I think it's possible to earn more this way, although most people that do it probably would be better off playing a single table. The thing is that I don't really play with a detailed view of each player. I categorize them in a few broad categories, and that usually does the trick for me. Also playing more tables helps me from getting bored (one of my main weaknesses as a player), and it makes me less prone to go on tilt, as a bad beat on one table is usually quickly compensated on another table. It's very unusuall that I have a losing session on all three tables.
Finally when you play multiple tables a large screen is also a must.
But sure. Everyone's got to do what works best for them.
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one other note of warning, I personaly look for players that are playing more than one table, then I'll usually keep my eye on that table as well, if that person is in a pot on a another table then I'm much more likely to bluff at them, this doesnt work so well at places like party as there are so many tables but in smaller site you can often find tables with 3 or 4 players from you table and they are well worth watching
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How do you click on the options button on the wrong table when all you have to do is stagger your games on the screen?
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How do you click on the options button on the wrong table when all you have to do is stagger your games on the screen?
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Answer...Crappy 15" monitor. I stole it from a buddy when my good monitor blew up, and I am playing each table full screen cycling through the toolbar. Didn't bother to reposition the windows. I am a dummy sometimes.
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I seem to play better when playing 2 tables because I tend to play less hands this way, and if I decide to play just 1 table then I play a bigger limit to keep me from playing marginal hands. But I prefer playing two low limit tables.
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What about playing 6 tables?
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I have a 20 inch monitor and you can see 4 tables at once with the 2 other tables in the middle behind them. I play alot better cards because I am busy with all the other ones.
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That is some pretty impressive "multitasking"! I assume these are all ring games. I was playing a lot of sit n gos for a while and ended up heads up on three seperate tables before and that got a little fast for me.
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I read in one of Daniel Negreanu articles that he had a friend who played up to 8 tables at the same time.
That's just insane IMO...
Okay, as some of you know I've had a bad run of cards lately, I'm about 175BB down over the last 19 sessions without any major misplays or tilt, and I'm supposedly a good player (this is limit BTW). Today I made a stupid attempt at a check raise on the turn (not a huge slip up but minor) and someone hit a gutshot straight on the river killing my trip J's (I had them as my starting hand). Okay, thats annoying but nothing special, I let it slide. 2 minutes later:
Hand #510118-3049 at Manchester ($.50/$1 Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 13/Oct/03 22:01:21
sawilliams is at seat 0 with $42.95.
figpole is at seat 1 with $47.10.
pcsystem is at seat 2 with $74.75.
Doc PMD is at seat 3 with $16.
battyjeep is at seat 4 with $10.60.
mike37 is at seat 5 with $45.95.
halfpint2 is at seat 6 with $60.45.
Xegoth is at seat 7 with $39.
DemonDon is at seat 8 with $67.05.
bob98105 is at seat 9 with $44.45 (sitting out).
The button is at seat 7.
DemonDon posts the small blind of $.25.
sawilliams posts the big blind of $.50.
sawilliams: -- --
figpole: -- --
pcsystem: -- --
Doc PMD: -- --
battyjeep: -- --
mike37: -- --
halfpint2: -- --
Xegoth: Jh Js
DemonDon: -- --
Pre-flop:
figpole folds. pcsystem folds. Doc PMD calls.
battyjeep folds. mike37 calls. halfpint2 calls.
Xegoth calls. DemonDon calls. sawilliams checks.
Flop (board: Jd Kc Tc):
DemonDon checks. sawilliams checks. Doc PMD bets
$.50. mike37 folds. halfpint2 raises to $1.
Xegoth re-raises to $1.50. DemonDon folds.
sawilliams folds. Doc PMD re-raises to $2.
halfpint2 calls. Xegoth calls.
Turn (board: Jd Kc Tc Qc):
Doc PMD checks. halfpint2 checks. Xegoth bets $1.
Doc PMD calls. halfpint2 calls.
River (board: Jd Kc Tc Qc 6s):
Doc PMD checks. halfpint2 checks. Xegoth checks.
Showdown:
Doc PMD shows 9s Qs.
Doc PMD has 9s Qs Jd Kc Tc: straight, king high.
halfpint2 mucks cards.
(halfpint2 has Th Ks.)
Xegoth mucks cards.
(xeggo_23 has Jh Js.)
Hand #510118-3049 Summary:
$.60 is raked from a pot of $12.
Doc PMD wins $11.40 with straight, king high.
GRR DIE DIE DIE! I'm so POed right now I'm shaking. You have to realize this has been happening to me with insane consistency over the last 2 weeks and I'm about to explode. I'm a very even keeled poker player but this is just not right. I won't post any more bad beats because it must be getting old but let me just say !@#%^#!%!#%^!#@$!@#!@#@!%!
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You can't get mad at that. Give one of us the winning hand and it will cost you two more big bets to see showdown. Post the next twenty hands that you see the flop. The feedback you get will be worth the time.
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at least you didnt drop 20 on royal vegas only to realize you cant win any money.
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Eh - that's poker - if you feel your strategy and play is pretty right on, then just keep grinding it. The cards will eventually favor the one that's paying attention.
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yeah bad beats are a part of poker but 175bb of bad beats in a week or two starts to get to anyone. I'm not doing anything wrong play wise the cards are just going hard against me. Z once said it's possible to go -300BB in one swing, maybe I'll get to hit that mark. I'm more than half way there.
I'll make a post of 20 hand histories where I saw the flop though, might be interesting.
(The last 20 flops I've seen that weren't immediate throw aways went like the one I posted here, I haven't won any big pots in the last 2 weeks but I've lost loads of them). Though I think the bright side of a huge swing like that is, at least its not a swing of *good* luck because I'd probably be up a thousand or two BB and think I was the man and be playing way above my skill level. So at least it keeps me humble.
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-175 bb seems like a lot to me, are you sure you are playing solid poker? What is your hand selection criteria like and what are your post flop requirements to continue?
Are you perhaps raising/calling too much with 2nd pair on the flop, or are you chasing flushes/straights that may not end up being the best hand(eg. if a pair hits the flop)?
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Post the ones you threw away on the flop as well. Just the last 20 that you saw the flop.
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ehm, so where exactly is this a bad beat? the guy´s Q9 were even suited and I think betting when the board shows T,J,Q,K is wasting money, because people with a low street are calling, putting you on the nuts and people holding the nuts will re-raise. normally I muck the trips when someone throws in a bet at that stage.
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It looks to me like he flopped the straight. He had q9 and the flop was ktj. So he had u the whole time he didnt catch any cards on you.
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He shouldn't muck at that point, he's still got outs for a full house on the river.
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right, he shouldn´t have mucked at that point because the winning hand was playing weak poker, allowing him to stay in there for no additional cost.
BUT in case the guy with the made king-high straight bet or re-raised him, then it´s time to muck that trip Js, since he has exactly 5 outs on the river.
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Ok, I'll try not to be too hard, but I did want to lend a bit of commentary:
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Any reason you didn't raise on the button with JJ? Did you not feel you had the best hand? You know big pairs play well against small pots right? I know only the blinds and one caller came in, but still, you need to a: increase the size of the pot when you've got a good hand b: make it expensive for people to draw out on you.
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DocPMD is not going anywhere with this flop, obviously. Of course, you probably wouldn't have pushed him out of SB with a pf raise, but you have got to have a decent pf strategy and stick with it. It will pay off in the long run.
As others have said, this is not in the least a bad beat. A set of jacks against a one card straight on the turn?!? Come on!! You've got to get over these kinds of hands.
You played the flop well, but PMD's reraise should have set off alarms.
Only thing I would have done different is check down both turn and river.
Not that I can tell too much from this hand, but I would suggest working out your pf strategy. What start chart/etc. you follow is irrelevant - it's just that you have a strategy to begin with.
As mentioned, post some more hands for comment. It's a great way to get pointers and other folks' perspectives.
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MarkyMark, there were 10 outs in the river, 3 kings, 3 queens, 3 tens and 1 jack.
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I think I played the flop correctly, but I also think I saw the showdown the cheapest way possible. When it was checked to me on the turn it seemed like both players thought I had the nuts, so I bet with the intention of them checking to me again on fifth (which they did) and having a free showdown. The reason I didn't just check and then muck my cards on fifth street is plain and simple. Tilt. I couldn't believe pocket J's would make me trips again just a few hands later and be beat yet again by a straight. So I saw their cards as cheaply as possible.
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Any reason you didn't raise on the button with JJ? Did you not feel you had the best hand? You know big pairs play well against small pots right? I know only the blinds and one caller came in, but still, you need to a: increase the size of the pot when you've got a good hand b: make it expensive for people to draw out on you.
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The reason I didn't raise with JJ is there were already three callers (none of them were going to fold) and increasing the pot size just gives them the correct odds needed to chase (you dont want people chasing when you have pocket J's). Not to mention, the flop can easily snap pocket J's in a multihanded pot. All I'd have to gain is possibly getting rid of the SB (BB had great odds to call), and even that wasn't a given.
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As others have said, this is not in the least a bad beat. A set of jacks against a one card straight on the turn?!? Come on!! You've got to get over these kinds of hands.
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The point I got dealt pocket J's twice in three minutes, both times made trips on the flop and both times got beaten by a gutshot straight (actually he flopped it the second time but I was to pissed to notice). All this after a 2 week -175BB run of bad cards (yes it can happen without any fault on your part). It's not the hand itself that put me on edge its the combination of it with the crazy negative run I was having.
Yes I'm playing solid poker. You have to experience a run of cards like that to even believe its possible (when Z said -300bb was possible from bad luck alone I gulped even though at the time I was up). I see the flop %15-25 of the time and I'm a perfect example of tight/aggressive. My poker got worse towards the end of the negative run (I've been positive the last few sessions and its been enough to get me back on my game mentally).
Anyhow, thanks for the feedback.
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Wavey
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Rate Member posted 10-15-2003 07:13 AM
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Well, some days it don't come good...
3 hours of solid, solid play, and I've just lost and lost against the tossers playing absolute garbage and catching all day long.
My premium's just haven't caught, and when they have, been outdrawn by 93s, Q6o, etc. etc. Stayed at the same table, convinced it would come good and these tossers would lose eventually, but it simply didn't happen.
Unbelievable day. Down $280 in 3 hours.
But then, wait... ATs... $179 as the flush comes good!!! Maybe quality play does come good... I was all-in, and this guy is cap-raising the nut flush I have with single KK pair. Mad.
Way-hay!!!
Wavey.
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MarkyMark
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Rate Member posted 10-15-2003 12:17 PM
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there were 10 outs in the river, 3 kings, 3 queens, 3 tens and 1 jack.
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OMG, wth are you talking about? please re-read the hand history posted and then re-read what you wrote.
in case it´s still unclear, I´ll break it down to you:
outs on the river were:
- 2 Queens: one was on the board, the other held by the winner
- 2 Tens: same as above
note: if you calculate the odds by only looking on what is already lying on the table, then it is sub-optimal. you always have to guess why the others are still in the pot. most likely because at least one of them holds a big pair or even two and are waiting for quads or full house.
but let´s assume for the sake of simplicity that the 2 other guys in the pot held A 9 and 9x then the outs would be:
- 3 Queens
- 3 Tens
- 1 J
no Kings, because one more King on the river would have given halfpint2 a full house Kings over Tens, beating the full Js over Kings.
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joe
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Rate Member posted 10-15-2003 05:22 PM
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Sorry, I didnt actually read the full results regarding halfpints hand, here he did only have 5 outs and it is true on a board like this you have to accept that some of your outs are going to be in other people's hands, more often than not though that will be in the form of pairs and wont make as drastic a difference as being against 2 pair or a higher set, it is quite rare to be down to 5 outs, most the time if your against straights or flushes you should have a 8-10 outs, an reasonable call on the turn when theres been that much action on the flop.
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DirtyDirty
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posted 10-16-2003 04:58 PM
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You guys are forgetting the sixes, methinks...
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DirtyDirty
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posted 10-16-2003 05:00 PM
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Sorry, I misread the hand post...thought the six was the turn...my apologies.
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