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I agree with you on deal making and I would not mind if the WPT had a rule that some amount of money had to be withheld for when the tournament is played out. I personally do not mind the steep prize structure but I do agree that, coupled with high blinds, they add a ton of variance that professional players might want to avoid.
I think that your most prescient point is in regard to logos. WPT not allowing logos on clothing is akin to the NCAA not allowing its student athletes to hold well paying jobs in the offseason. Obviously it would be easier to get a high paying sponsorship if you can guarantee that you will get significant air time, and that guarantee can only be made before the final table. Player sponsorship would increase significantly if the WPT made it easier for logos to be worn and the WPT absolutely has a vested interest in seeing its top players make money. This would create a theoretical overlay that is paid out to final tablers at no charge to the WPT
If the WPT is worried about one of their TV sponsors pulling out when players wear a competitor's logo for a cheaper price, then they could easily include a list of exclusive sponsorship categories (automobile, fast food, non alcoholic beverage, etc) in which players can not accept a sponsorship.
Personally, I would be in favor of players being permitted to plaster themselves with logos ala NASCAR but lets take a baby step and allow players to add an advertiser once their TV appearance is ensured.
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I was thinking about moving up to 3/6 Pacific online play, permanently in September, I was wondering what I should do with the small blind, since it's 1/3 the minimum call should I stop calling any two suited if the requisite callers are there is quibbling over the percentage difference like quibbling over a nickle that the checkout girl forgot to give you?
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'holic,
I think you're right. Changing your strategy based on the extra fifty cents is like driving across town to save two cents on a tank of gas. Its just not worth it.
What are you doing playing 3-6? I thought for sure that you'd be playing 10-20, at least.
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I say call small blinds with hands you wouldn't normally call in, only if your ready to give up earlier than with hands you would normally call in with.
I think calling in the sb with low suited connectors is ok, but when you see heavy betting, even if you got open ended or a 4 flush remember to play it weak rather than strong. In the case where I limp in and make good, I don't feel bad that I didn't bet strong. But when I limp in, and start betting like its a great hand when I have the 37 of a flush it makes me regret it when 4 cards of a flush hit the table, my straight doesn't come through, or my had is beaten by a higher one.
If your are calling the sb and then chasing draws like you were in for a raise, that's a big mistake unless you got lucky good cards on the sb.
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To be honest it's cruise control for me to beat Pacific's low limit games, I mostly play shorttable as I can be more creative and the autochase morons will pay you back when you get your high pockets cracked. Basically if you play 2/4 shorttable its the same as playing 4/8 fulltable because of the speed difference. Also I can't really afford to dump and the investment at 10/20 is steep if you dump I guess a minimum of 2500 US.............. So the jump to 3/6 isn't one because the same morons play there when they get paid and their roll is larger...........
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They seemed to clear some of the collusion out of Pacific. The 3-6 is the 2-4 with more money.
Bob Ciaffone says not to play suited king little in the small blind when it's one third of the big, so I guess tightening up a bit wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Can you tell me more about the collusion at Pacific? 15/30 or low lim as well? What do you mean "some"?
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At party where I usually hang out I think there's a big difference between 2-4$ and 3-6$ which should have some implications for the SB play.
At 2-4$ you often have around 50% players see the flop. With the whole family along you can play most hands from the SB, as long as you know to get rid of them when you hit non-perfect. Also the 2-4$ tables are
usually relatively passive.
3-6$ on the other hand you seldom average over 30% players seing the flop. And most of the pots are raised before the flop. This means that at 3-6$ I usually don't play hands from the SB that I wouldn't have played from the botton also. It's not so much because of the 50 cent, but more because the right situations for playing marginal hands almost never arises. I don't know how it is on pacific - maybe the "cut" goes at other limuts there, but at Party 2-4$ and 3-6$ are two very different ballgames if you ask me. At 3-6$ I get punished whenever I don't pay attention to the game. At 2-4$ I seldom do
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I think the support at Pacific actually booted some players who may have been colluding in the 3-6 and 5-10. They should take their rolls and add it to a freeroll or something. There is collusion at every site, but some sites actually attempt to keep it minimal.
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Z I can't agree. I've played thousands of hands at party over the last month and according to my pokertracker databse at 3/6 an average of 39.9% of players have seen the flop and 33.8% for 5/10. It's basically the same idiot fish at every level up to 5/10. Even the 15/30 averaged over 30% such is the insanity at party poker. That site is really something else - just one big fish farm waiting to be harvested!
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Hey Even you notice collusion? Sometimes extremely poor play can look like collusion to. I have suspected many times, then have sat back and watched the same tilted idiot try and bash on another hand and thought, no the moron is that on tilt..........
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I've found it's usually not worth calling hands on the SB that you wouldn't call from another position, especially at looser tables. It may be worth it to call those borderline hands that you'd get when not on the blinds, but nothing more, really.
I've had - more times today than any other, hence my post - my KK's that I raised and was called on pre-flop, just the one call you understand, beaten by pocket AA. Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't mind... but seems a lot of people lately just call you with it, then wait until the turn, and raise you - of course, you think they've caught trips QQQ, JJJ, TTT, or whatever else... so you call it down only to see pocket AA staring up at you.
Now, I realise them playing this way is actually saving me money - just like any slow-player is... so why do they do it? Is it that they just like being clever, or is it a deceptive play I'm missing?
I've not read ANYWHERE that recommends slow-playing, except in exceptional circumstances when you have flopped the unbeatable hand, and you need the flushes and str8's to catch up.. so I'm somewhat baffled.
Your thoughts, as always, appreciated.
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You're right -- no Hold'em book would suggest this sort of play. The answer is that not everybody reads Hold'em books.
I think slow-players simply don't know it's the wrong thing to do (except in those extreme cases you mentioned). They don't know they're costing themselves money and/or subjecting themselves to being outdrawn. Let's not tell them.
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these timid calling stations cant bet with a strong hand as it would clearly stand out that they arnt just calling with junk and most observant players would fold, so to remain unpredicatable they become consistently passive and stick to calling, gota love em really
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Wavey, let's look at it another way.
You are in late position in one of these low limit games (and you and the rest of the posters here are low limit gamblers by choice), and six or seven players have entered the pot, and you have AA. Raising up front in the hand (making it two bets cold to someone MAY discourage a few callers and achieve what you want, more heads up play with the big pair, but from the last position, pot odds now dictate that all the scrubs with QJ, 77, Ace/rag, any two suited cards (and I mean any two), will call the half bet due to the pot you are building. If that many stay in, the likelihood is one will run you down.
So, the pocket aces lets the table build their pot and sticks around to win when two pair with kings thinks it has a winner. It's a gamble, it's poker. The pocket Aces never gave away the fact they were in charge till the scoop...and by the way, you will see it (but only on occasion) at higher limits, there the idea is to make it so expensive you don't want to see every flop. You can't do that in low limit no-foldem, holdem.
By the way, if no limit, I see the same folks doing the same thing, and I feel it does not serve them well. You have the goods, and the ability to make a number of people to pay dearly to chase, you make them pay. I recommend varying your raise with AA late in the hand by 5 to 8 times the size of the original Big Blind bet. Doyle Brunson will tell you in his book, Super System, that when he has AA up front in a nl ring or tournament, he will limp in, let someone else commit a good portion of their stack with QQ, JJ, AK, KQs, hands like that, and then come over the top of them PRE-FLOP, making them commit the rest of their chips or win it right there.
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Although I definitely know better, I sometimes can't help myself from limping in with a high pocket pair Part of the reason is that, in low-limit games, I know I'm not scaring many out. And while my play might lose money in the long run, in the short run it is safer to limp. Perhaps I'm not yet convinced -- deep down -- that the best long-term strategy is to play the pocket pair fast. Part of this thinking might be due to the fact that, when playing online, I try and play for short time periods (in between work and other obligations), making me particularly risk averse.
On the other hand, sometimes I think it actually works as deception, provided that others are doing all the raising for me. Or maybe this is just a sign of weak will!
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Originally posted by Darrow:
Although I definitely know better, I sometimes can't help myself from limping in with a high pocket pair Part of the reason is that, in low-limit games, I know I'm not scaring many out. And while my play might lose money in the long run, in the short run it is safer to limp. Perhaps I'm not yet convinced -- deep down -- that the best long-term strategy is to play the pocket pair fast. Part of this thinking might be due to the fact that, when playing online, I try and play for short time periods (in between work and other obligations), making me particularly risk averse.
On the other hand, sometimes I think it actually works as deception, provided that others are doing all the raising for me. Or maybe this is just a sign of weak will!
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Although I dont fully understand why, I also found that raising AA, KK in middle/late position in the 0.5/1 lowlimit games on party to be a bad play even in the long run.
On average i found myself losing big pots on the river to 2 pair or winning small pots when an ace hit on the flop or on the the few occasions when top pair wins.
As i have said I dont really understand why this is the case and it was really just when I played in the bottom limit on party, but I did find limping to be best move from late/middle position.
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Well I'll give my thoughts on this subject in the most general terms.
In order for a slowplay to be a good play, you must
a) be reasonably sure that someone will bet behind you. If noone does all you do is give everyone a free card, or
b) know that your opponents are decent players who actually watch and learn from how you play your hands.
Regarding b) I think that most low limit players does not pay attention to anything but their own hand. For this reason you should never slowplay a hand in a no foldem game, unless you have a maniac sitting behind you. But at the higher limits, you will not survive unless you manage to sell the message that a check is not always a sign of weakness.
And finally in response to Brains post.
If these are your concerns I'd like to know what hands you'll raise on, except the stone cold nuts???
Furthermore usually what you risk by raising against weak passive players is one small bet, cause you will call your aces to showdown anyway won't you?
And finally you are dead right that AA will win less frequently the more playuers enter the pot. Nevertheless you should expect to earn more $$$$ not less, when playing AA against 10 opponents then against 1 in the long run. The decreased win ratio is excessively compensated of the magnitude of the pots you do win.
In all. slowplaying at a no foldem table is normally a stupid thing to do.
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Z,
You wrote:
"And finally you are dead right that AA will win less frequently the more playuers enter the pot. Nevertheless you should expect to earn more $$$$ not less, when playing AA against 10 opponents then against 1 in the long run. The decreased win ratio is excessively compensated of the magnitude of the pots you do win."
I trust that you are correct about this, but as I think I asked in a separate thread, can we verify this with some kind of calculation, so that I know it's not just a hunch. This may be very obvious, but I am
mathematically-challenged.
Let me give you a particular scenario. If I limp in with KK and face 5 opponents to the river, will I win less (if this scenario is repeated 100 times) than if I raised that pot and still faced the same number of opponents?
Z, if you could just illustrate this for me, I would be very grateful.
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If these are your concerns I'd like to know what hands you'll raise on, except the stone cold nuts???
Furthermore usually what you risk by raising against weak passive players is one small bet, cause you will call your aces to showdown anyway won't you?
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Perhaps i wasnt clear, but I meant I will limp in PRE-FLOP when there are a lot of callers before me, on the flop I will raise/reraise as usual. I should also repeat that I only play this way in the 0.5/$1 on party as I found it to be the most profitable strategy. I now generally play 1/2 on party and 0.5/1 on ultimate bet and raise preflop with these cards as you would expect.
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Nevertheless you should expect to earn more $$$$ not less, when playing AA against 10 opponents then against 1 in the long run. The decreased win ratio is excessively compensated of the magnitude of the pots you do win.
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This is the problem, I found, on average, the pots I did win were smaller than the pots I lost. I win bigger pots by limping before the flop. The extra bet before the flop was generally compensated for by extra action after the flop.
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Z,
I agree with you 100% here, I hope you don't mind me throwing in my two cents worth here.
Darrow: If you play 100 hands and the situation is exaclty the same, you have pocket K's (your opponents don't know this.) and all 5 of them go the the river every time. I sure as hell hope that you get out of the hands that are obvious that your not going to win...IE flushs and straights, and even hands when the calling station turns into super bettor with his set or two pair.
So basically you should raise everytime, and then play it smart when you have the winner and dump your losers and your going to get paid off much more then you lose.
I hear many newer players who don't understand the long-term outlook of poker say that they don't raise with ______ insert A's K's etc. because they tend to loose with them...Well if you don't raise with them and leave the blinds and others in the hand and they beat you, who do you think played it badly...A clue here fellas - the guy who didn't raise his good hand. Play consistent poker and your going to be a winner long term. Here is anothe thought...you want to make it as expensive for marginal hands to call pre-flop vs letting them in and giving them the odds to draw out on you.
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Z wrote: "And finally you are dead right that AA will win less frequently the more playuers enter the pot."
I trust that you are correct about this, but as I think I asked in a separate thread, can we verify this with some kind of calculation, so that I know it's not just a hunch. This may be very obvious, but I am mathematically-challenged.
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I've been thinking about this very problem: how to quantify this notion. Here's what I've been thinking:
We could create a TTH profile of this type of player -- plays almost anything, calls with almost anything, pays no respect to raises, etc. Then put one of the "good" profiles (who raises/folds/etc properly) at a table with 9 of these rockheads. We'll see if the good player comes out ahead in the long run, or if the lambs slaughter the butcher.
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Gary,
I have contended here and elsewhere recently that for a good player to win consistently there must be a solid mixture of good and bad players at the table. In tracking my own play I see that I do much better when there is this mixture. (this may only work for my game, but I don't know many other solid players who consistently beat 9 fish.)
Mr. Nuts said it best a couple of months ago when he stated that your not only playing based on the number of outs for you but more realisticly when playing a table with a majority of fish your playing vs. the collective number of outs they have against you.
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Wow some response this post generated, but the subject is challenging indeed.
First. To Gary. Please to try and make simulations of this in TTH. I think a lot of people including myself would be interested in the results. Just make sure to state the assumptions very clearly.
And to Darrow. Unfortunately I'm not that matematically challenged. But Bob Ciaffone has stated somewhere that the worst number of opponents for high pairs is 3-4, and it rhymes with my general experience.
One situation where it pays to start raise is therefore when you can decrease the number of opponents to one.
When it comes to family pots my main reason for not slowplaying high pairs is that any flop is dangerous with 5+ players seeing the flop. I know I'm way ahead before the flop, so I raise it there, as I find it much harder to raise on the flop where I have no way of knowing precisely where I am. In any case I don't think it makes any difference in terms of scaring away opponents whether you raise pre-flop or on the flop round. Raises are generally not respected before the turn.
The important thing is that your winning expectancy with high pairs is way above average also with a load of players in the pot. Get those money in there before you get in doubts!
And to Brains. It's not the play in it self that bothered me, but I did not like your arguments for making that play one bit. Now you might be right that the pots you lose with AA are bigger then the ones you win. This can only be due to the fact that you don't show enough respect to turn/river raises with an overpair only. Or to state this hypothesis another way - you keep playing back when you're beat. The opponents don't play back when you've got the better of it - they just call you down. If in doubt after the flop with AA I just call it down.
Still, those big pots you lose, you'll have to remember that you only put a portion of the money in there. You don't lose the full pot, just the bit you put in there which in a family pot often is <25%
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And to Brains. It's not the play in it self that bothered me, but I did not like your arguments for making that play one bit. Now you might be right that the pots you lose with AA are bigger then the ones you win. This can only be due to the fact that you don't show enough respect to turn/river raises with an overpair only. Or to state this hypothesis another way - you keep playing back when you're beat. The opponents don't play back when you've got the better of it - they just call you down. If in doubt after the flop with AA I just call it down.
Still, those big pots you lose, you'll have to remember that you only put a portion of the money in there. You don't lose the full pot, just the bit you put in there which in a family pot often is <25%
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I didnt mean that I lost by raising AA KK in the long run, but I made more profit by not raising them. It is the opposite in the higher level $1/$2 on party and on 0.5/$1 on UB.
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Wow some response this post generated, but the subject is challenging indeed.
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Indeed it is nice to read some good discussions on here - at least it gives me something to do when I am not playing poker.
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Hey guys,
I just stumbled accross this site, it has an incredible probablity chart showing %'s of hands holding up vs. 1 to 9 opponents. Check it out.
http://gocee.com/poker/HE_Val_Sort.htm
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Hey guys,
I just stumbled accross this site, it has an incredible probablity chart showing %'s of hands holding up vs. 1 to 9 opponents. Check it out.
http://gocee.com/poker/HE_Val_Sort.htm
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Nice find - usef
ul thing to have.
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First. To Gary. Please to try and make simulations of this in TTH. I think a lot of people including myself would be interested in the results. Just make sure to state the assumptions very clearly.
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Understood. I shall be very scientific about it -- I'll publish the rules, assumptions, etc. Give me a couple days to work on it.
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Looking forward to see your results Gary
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This is my first post as I'm new to this forum. Thought I'd add my 2 cents which I offer for feedback. I certainly don't make any claims of my strategy being any better, or worse.
This applies more to NLHE, which is my game of choice. If you get pocket AA and are in early-to-middle position, I recommend a moderate raise (say 4X Big Blind) and if you are lucky enough to get AA on the button (or better yet, in one of the blinds), I would raise it up hard, say 5-10X BB. If UTG I would raise it meekly hoping a later position re-raises, which of course I'd then go way over the top of, perhaps 2-3X their raise. The strategy is based on wanting as few players as possible to see the flop, preferably only those with weaker "power hands" than yours...the AK, AQ, KK, etc hands, which of course AA is a huge favorite to beat. My UTG strategy is based on wanting to see a flop since simply stealing the blinds with AA is, in my opinion, a waste of a great hand.
Post-flop is where you must be able to read when you are beat and lay those bad boys down, but of course prior to that I play the hand very aggressively. If a calling station beats me with 2 pair or a set, so be it.
Long story short, I would never slowplay AA or KK for that matter. Especially in NLHE where a lot of players will play any two cards if they are allowed to limp in to see a flop. I learned this lesson the hard way as I used to slowplay AA but now hardly ever (although in tournaments it is not a bad play late in tourny when the cost of seeing that flop is already high, you can frequently bust players who never put you on AA due to lack of big pre-flop raise.
Sorry for the ramble. All thoughts more than welcome.
Hi,
I am currently playing at royalvegaspoker.com which alot of no limit action takes place. I have been playing there off and on for about 3 months now and I have to tell you the games are so soft there it is easy to make $200 to $300 a day just by playing 2 to 3 hours a day on the .50/1.00 and $1/$2 no limit games.
Not to mention by winning 3 sit and go 10 man tournys you get to go to the world poker tour in altantic city!
I am making royal vegas poker my new home for no limit action its awesome.
Plus the free cashouts via ach to my bank account helps me alot since alot of other sites charge you for that service.
Anyway just thought I tell ya that if your a no limit player you have to check that out.
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A pig just flew by my window
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well i guess the 71% avg players per
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not saying anyone can do it but easy
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i tried signing up but it won't let me login for some reason. and when i signed up, they didn't let me choose a username? they assigned me a random combination of letters and numbers... whats the deal?
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greensmoke
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they assign you account number and you choose your username. When your at the tables your username shows up b
ut they assign you the numbers and letters as your account number.
I know they give you free $10 for you to try the games first without making a deposit.
If your having trouble logging in just e-mail them you shouldnt have no problems though I never have.
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rodgepodge
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Rate Member posted 09-12-2003 07:40 PM
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Hey greensmoke, stop writing "they" and use "I". If anybody found a site that easy they certainly wouldn't risk telling the users of this site.
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gambleholic
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posted 09-12-2003 09:21 PM
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Cynical people, just last week I made a 20,000 playing holdem at pacific poker(yen that is), anything is possible if you put your nose to the grindstone........
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-14-2003 10:30 AM
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DATE TRANSACTION STATUS CREDITS
9/14/2003 xxxxxx progress $650.00
9/08/2003 xxxxxx progress $260.00
9/05/2003 xxxxxx progress $250.00
9/01/2003 xxxxxx progress $550.00
There is my last 4 cashouts,,, not bad
for 13 days of work ))))))
Total of $1,710.00 for 13 days but yeh
I suck as a poker player and its not
possible to make that much on the
.25/.50 and 1/2 no limits tables I guess!
Oh and thats not even playing everyday!!
GOOD LUCK TO YOU GUYS.
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Z
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posted 09-14-2003 10:51 AM
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LOL Smoke.
I think you missed the point. Nobody cares how much you've won or lost really. Unless you've got some great tips to share that is.
But congrats with your amazing win.
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-14-2003 12:16 PM
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OK HERES A TIP:
If you play low limit poker
such as .25/.50 .50/1.00 either
limit or no limit dont play at
party pok
er cause they rake
.50 on pots of $5.00 so the house
will hurt you in the long run.
Low limit poker players should search
around and make sure the site your
playing on dont rake more than
.25 on a $5.00 pot and dont rake
any pots under $5.00
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gambleholic
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posted 09-14-2003 02:34 PM
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He has a valid point party's rake is atrocious but that isn't going to be a reason why anybody is a losing or winning player(unless you are a marginal winning player)I think why this place maybe so easy is that the average player has no clue how to play unlimited poker.
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UHA8ME2
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all talk greensmke i seen you play on big bet poker you are i fish
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-15-2003 07:36 AM
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mmmm then maybe you should ask bigbet
how many cashouts I have had there
this year.
mmmm im a fish but if you search the
bigbet winners section im the only
player at bigbet who has beat the
poker room manager twice in a row!!
u should back up what you say! Im
willing to do a $1,000 heads up buy
in do you want to play with me?
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UHA8ME2
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Rate Member posted 09-15-2003 12:01 PM
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SURE YOU WILL PUT UP 1000. BIG DEAL YOU CASHED OUT FOR 1700 BUT YOU PUT IN 1500. BIG 200 DOLLAR WIN CONGRATS. YOU ARE A FISH AND I WILL SMOKE YOU FOR 1000. NAME THE TIME WE CAN PLAY OM POKERSTARS HEADS UP N/L FOR 1000
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Wavey
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I'd take UH8ME2 up on that bet greensmoke... he's a terribly bad player...
You'll SMOKE him easy...
W.
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greensmoke
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will do but lets make the site
we play the heads up match.
bigbetpoker
i will have them put up a $1,000
2 player sit and go
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UHA8ME2
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Big Bet Poker has like 10 players, lets do it at poker stars so i can use that 1000 I will win off you on the 30/60 tables.
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-15-2003 05:57 PM
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lol no cards more juiced there.
bigbetpoker has a better
random shuffle
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UHA8ME2
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typical answer from a wus with no ballz
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NiHeraNeSsu
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posted 09-16-2003 09:01 AM
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Hey, guys.
I believe you both need the witnesses - otherwise you will keep calling each other "a fish" even though get your heads up
no matter who wins. Why you do not schedule exact site and time - I will watch you and may be some others too - you do not even need to play real $1000, use a play money. So the loser may add a "fish" suffix to his nick and you guys are even.
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UHA8ME2
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Rate Member posted 09-16-2003 12:03 PM
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Play Money LOL LOL LOL LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO
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SamSlade
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posted 09-16-2003 03:02 PM
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I agree with NiHeraNeSsu. I'll watch (and witness), it would be a great game! If you can't agree on site then why not have the 'championship' over two legs, one at site chosen by greensmoke, and one by UHA8ME2. Info needed:
1. Site
2. Time (and time zone)
3. Game type and table name
What a prospect
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UHA8ME2
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I will play for whatever he wants to play for. I would love to set a time and a place so you guys can watch, it will be fun. I have money in many different sites. But most of my cash is at poker stars and at party poker. If he wants to do it somewhere else it will have to be for less than 1000, i can do poker stars for 1000 but party does not have heads up freezouts. I just don't trust the little sites with a decent amount of cash.
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-18-2003 01:06 AM
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well you sure? I just seen you on pokerstars at the .02/.04 cent table lol if thats all you can afford to play.......you got problems.
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UHA8ME2
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Rate Member posted 09-18-2003 01:50 AM
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You are all talk, lets play, you name the time. since you make 300 a day mabye you want to play for more. Your just another losing player who has to post on here to make a name fot yourself. You are so good you play at sites that have 20 people on them instead of the real sites.
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holla1time
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Rate Member posted 09-18-2003 01:09 PM
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Greensmoke, you are a typical chump who has a winning STREAK and concludes you are some sort of amazing player.
And why would you say it's EASY to win that much? Obviously, even if you are telling the truth, it's a rarity and not easy at all. You might be a great player, but you will never keep up that win rate even if you are the world's best, get ready for a slide.
And your rake analysis is way off, yes Party charges .50 cents for 5.00$ pots, but they also charge .50 cents for 15-20$ pots as opposed to the 75cents on the other sites. So in general, I'd say Partys rake is better since few hands are that low anyway.
When the swing falls back down, I hope you are here complaining about suckouts.
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holla1time
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Rate Member posted 09-18-2003 01:11 PM
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and you are obviously affiliated with Royal Vegas poker, try to be a little sneakier in your pimping.
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Cincod
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First of all, I'm just a reader. I'm not affiliated with any company. IN fact, I've blown tons of money over at paradise poker. I have to tell you that the play at royal vegas is hilarious and I don't doubt that you can make tons at a time. i'm looking forward to playing on this site.
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-18-2003 09:47 PM
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I guess it all depends what you call a real site now dont it?
I call a real site.... is one that treats its players well.
lets see royalvegas compared to pokerstars.
royalvegas you get:
$10,000 welcome tourny no raked hands
required. High hand awards, bad beat
jackpots, $2,000 daily freerolls no
raked hand required. $5,000 monthly loyalty
tourny, world poker seats..... Tons of fish
to play with.
deposit bonus
pokerstars you get...
mmmm,,, no deposit bonus, no welcome tourny,
mmm not much of anything to show they want
your business
So which do you think is better?
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-18-2003 09:59 PM
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i pretty much win where ever I play,
but I prefer the sites with the easiest
games, dont we all. If you play at royalvegas im sure you will see what I mean
by the word EASy.
Oh if you ever get the chance use the stats on that site, first one I saw where it tracks your play for all tables and follows you around after you get up and leave a table and sit at another your stats still going.
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UHA8ME2
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Rate Member posted 09-19-2003 12:35 AM
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I have played there. Their gameplay has improved alot in the last 3 weeks, they seen to be working out the bugs. The stats they keep are the same as poker stars and party. Poker stars still has better freerolls, free spots in the WSOP and way better game selection.
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-19-2003 12:54 AM
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the stats follow you from table to table.
If you get up from a table the stats keep recording even though you started a new table. Something the rest of the sites havnt caught up to yet.
Party has freerolls? since when? you have to play a certain number of raked hands to play in their freerolls. here you dont have to make a deposit to play in the freerolls or even play a ring game, even though i made deposit for the deposit bonus.
party does have better game selection and more players, they just dont treat you good!
party tournament software is not stable at all, freezes alot! actually compared to almost every site online party has the worst tournament structure.
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greensmoke
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Rate Member posted 09-19-2003 01:02 AM
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well got confused,
pokerstars on occasion has fpp buy in freerolls that are pretty good in which
i save my fpp for the occasion.
their tournament software is the best but as far as game selection its not all that great. I win at the no limit games their but win way more at other sites easier games, little harder at pokerstars. Pokerstars daily freerolls dont pay any money lol.
PokerStars is famous for AK vs AK vs AA hands
When you get q10 most likely someone else gots q10 with you split pot, if you play at pokerstars you have to agree on that alot of the same hands with 2 players.
Im sure you will find though if you do a 6 hour session at royalvegas and a 6 hour session at pokerstars tell me which one you win the most money at. I already know
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Kissit
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If you two bend over I'll happily pull your heads out of your arses!!
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SulliSkillz15
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So whats the deal, I thought there was a $1000 no limit match going down...Both of you ladies backing down now?
p.s. i just signed up for royalvegas.com, and it says im supposed to get $10 to start out with...but it doesnt show up, what do i have to do to get it?
[This message has been edited by SulliSkillz15 (edited 09-21-2003).]
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gambleholic
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posted 09-21-2003 03:24 AM
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Contact support they will deposit it in your account within 24 hours, goodluck though the 50 cent table is rather loose, I got cracked out by a moron who chased down my triple tens with 9/4 suited and caught his gutshot straight, then big slick lost to a third position pocket six player......
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